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What's the state of digital sovereignty for our academic landscape?

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  • gannimo@infosec.exchangeG This user is from outside of this forum
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    What's the state of digital sovereignty for our academic landscape?

    Inspired by a similar post looking at digital sovereignty of municipalities, I explored what messaging infrastructure universities rely on. Sadly, many have switched to hyper scalars but few large universities keep running their own email infrastructure. Germany, Austria, France does not look too bad and lead by example.

    [Note that the assessment is based on a simple MX records comparison against a list of known scalars, I don't yet check SPF records or guesstimate the SMTP software/version, this may be done in a future version.]

    Check out the interactive map: https://nebelwelt.net/gannimo/unimx/

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    • gannimo@infosec.exchangeG gannimo@infosec.exchange

      What's the state of digital sovereignty for our academic landscape?

      Inspired by a similar post looking at digital sovereignty of municipalities, I explored what messaging infrastructure universities rely on. Sadly, many have switched to hyper scalars but few large universities keep running their own email infrastructure. Germany, Austria, France does not look too bad and lead by example.

      [Note that the assessment is based on a simple MX records comparison against a list of known scalars, I don't yet check SPF records or guesstimate the SMTP software/version, this may be done in a future version.]

      Check out the interactive map: https://nebelwelt.net/gannimo/unimx/

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      ligasser@social.epfl.chL This user is from outside of this forum
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      @gannimo UNIL is definitely also infected by the MS virus... Not sure why their MX records don't point to MS. Perhaps they still self-host the MS Exchange server?

      Can you do a EHLO on the SMTP to see what the software is?

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      • ligasser@social.epfl.chL ligasser@social.epfl.ch

        @gannimo UNIL is definitely also infected by the MS virus... Not sure why their MX records don't point to MS. Perhaps they still self-host the MS Exchange server?

        Can you do a EHLO on the SMTP to see what the software is?

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        @ligasser most servers stopped advertising the software name, would have to start parsing SPF and potentially connect to IMAP as well

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          @ligasser most servers stopped advertising the software name, would have to start parsing SPF and potentially connect to IMAP as well

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          @gannimo I know they dropped the version numbers, but also the software name? I'm getting old...

          % telnet mail.epfl.ch 25
          Trying 128.178.222.71...
          Connected to mail.epfl.ch.
          Escape character is '^]'.
          220 mail.epfl.ch AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy

          No idea where they got the AngelmatoPhylax from...

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          • gannimo@infosec.exchangeG gannimo@infosec.exchange

            What's the state of digital sovereignty for our academic landscape?

            Inspired by a similar post looking at digital sovereignty of municipalities, I explored what messaging infrastructure universities rely on. Sadly, many have switched to hyper scalars but few large universities keep running their own email infrastructure. Germany, Austria, France does not look too bad and lead by example.

            [Note that the assessment is based on a simple MX records comparison against a list of known scalars, I don't yet check SPF records or guesstimate the SMTP software/version, this may be done in a future version.]

            Check out the interactive map: https://nebelwelt.net/gannimo/unimx/

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            mansr@society.oftrolls.comM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @gannimo For the green and orange ones, it might be interesting to resolve the names in the MX records and see where they actually take you. Some probably end up with some cloud provider using a custom domain. Some of the orange ones are possibly also benign. For instance, sunet.se falls under the Swedish Research Council and provides IT services to Swedish universities. Of course, they may well be outsourcing some parts to external providers.

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            • ligasser@social.epfl.chL ligasser@social.epfl.ch

              @gannimo I know they dropped the version numbers, but also the software name? I'm getting old...

              % telnet mail.epfl.ch 25
              Trying 128.178.222.71...
              Connected to mail.epfl.ch.
              Escape character is '^]'.
              220 mail.epfl.ch AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy

              No idea where they got the AngelmatoPhylax from...

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              @ligasser @gannimo some drop port 25, as tls.

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              • gannimo@infosec.exchangeG gannimo@infosec.exchange

                What's the state of digital sovereignty for our academic landscape?

                Inspired by a similar post looking at digital sovereignty of municipalities, I explored what messaging infrastructure universities rely on. Sadly, many have switched to hyper scalars but few large universities keep running their own email infrastructure. Germany, Austria, France does not look too bad and lead by example.

                [Note that the assessment is based on a simple MX records comparison against a list of known scalars, I don't yet check SPF records or guesstimate the SMTP software/version, this may be done in a future version.]

                Check out the interactive map: https://nebelwelt.net/gannimo/unimx/

                Link Preview Image
                kensan@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @gannimo /cc @adfichter Maybe of interest.

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                • ligasser@social.epfl.chL ligasser@social.epfl.ch

                  @gannimo I know they dropped the version numbers, but also the software name? I'm getting old...

                  % telnet mail.epfl.ch 25
                  Trying 128.178.222.71...
                  Connected to mail.epfl.ch.
                  Escape character is '^]'.
                  220 mail.epfl.ch AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy

                  No idea where they got the AngelmatoPhylax from...

                  aspert@social.epfl.chA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @ligasser @gannimo Just saw this yesterday https://mxmap.ch/
                  A cool map of which mail systems are used by swiss communes. Not every part is infected it seems.

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                  • aspert@social.epfl.chA aspert@social.epfl.ch

                    @ligasser @gannimo Just saw this yesterday https://mxmap.ch/
                    A cool map of which mail systems are used by swiss communes. Not every part is infected it seems.

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                    @ligasser @gannimo and yes, if you check the SPF record of UNIL you get the truth
                    "unil.ch descriptive text "v=spf1 [...] include:spf.protection.outlook.com..."

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                    • aspert@social.epfl.chA aspert@social.epfl.ch

                      @ligasser @gannimo and yes, if you check the SPF record of UNIL you get the truth
                      "unil.ch descriptive text "v=spf1 [...] include:spf.protection.outlook.com..."

                      ligasser@social.epfl.chL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @aspert @gannimo I just learnt that my commune uses

                      azinformatique.ch

                      never heard of them...

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