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  3. Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

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  • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

    Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

    If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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    @ryanc there are at least three

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    • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

      Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

      If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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      @ryanc between 40 and transistor count / 3.

      That's accurate, but not very precise. 😀

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      • nspace@infosec.exchangeN nspace@infosec.exchange

        @gsuberland @ryanc we have microcode for amd too 😛 and it works on the newest cpus unlike on intel. there are a lot of internal registes you can access only through microcode

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        @nspace @ryanc ah neat. I haven't read through the AMD stuff yet

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        • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

          Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

          If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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          @ryanc

          A whole bunch of registers. If you run out of it, You might considder to stop using Macro Assembler and write GWBasic programs...

          RAX, RBX, RCX, RDX, EAX, EBX, ECX, EDX, RDI, RSI, RBP, RSP, EDI, ESI, EBP, ESP, R8-R15, CS, DS, ES, FS, GS, SS, RIP, EIP, RFLAGS, EFLAGS, CR0-CR4, DR0-DR7, MSRs, SIMD, XMM0-XMM15, YMM0-YMM15, ZMM0-ZMM31, MM0--MM7,
          ST0-ST7, MXCSR.

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          • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

            Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

            If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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            @ryanc Even for a Z80 it's not a trivial answer. (Yes I do know someone who wrote some code that used the R register.)

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            • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

              Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

              If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

              halcy@icosahedron.websiteH This user is from outside of this forum
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              @ryanc oh, that’s easy, actually. The answer is precisely one less than whatever the ideal number for your workload would be.

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              • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                @ryanc (xkcd 2867)

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                • javierg@mstdn.socialJ javierg@mstdn.social

                  @ryanc
                  Long ago, I was starting to understand register renaming (the phrase "register file" gave me existencial doubts), and then they came with hyperthreading...
                  Now I feel CPU architecture is purely a spectator sport.

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                  @javierg @ryanc register usage is certainly a speculative sport

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                  • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                    Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                    If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                    @ryanc easier question:
                    How many registers does the Motorola 68000 have?
                    It is also not 16.

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                    • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                      @ryanc

                      A whole bunch of registers. If you run out of it, You might considder to stop using Macro Assembler and write GWBasic programs...

                      RAX, RBX, RCX, RDX, EAX, EBX, ECX, EDX, RDI, RSI, RBP, RSP, EDI, ESI, EBP, ESP, R8-R15, CS, DS, ES, FS, GS, SS, RIP, EIP, RFLAGS, EFLAGS, CR0-CR4, DR0-DR7, MSRs, SIMD, XMM0-XMM15, YMM0-YMM15, ZMM0-ZMM31, MM0--MM7,
                      ST0-ST7, MXCSR.

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                      @ryanc @bitchboss you forgot ah, al, ch, cl, dh, dl, bh, bl, dil, sil, spl and bpl. And of course r8l, r8w etc.

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                        @kaye @ryanc I thought it the most important rule of CPU architectures was to be a PDP-11 and have fun.

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                        • dascandy@infosec.exchangeD dascandy@infosec.exchange

                          @ryanc @bitchboss you forgot ah, al, ch, cl, dh, dl, bh, bl, dil, sil, spl and bpl. And of course r8l, r8w etc.

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                          @dascandy @ryanc

                          Damn... Are those 8/16 bitters still in use?

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                          • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                            Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                            If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                            @ryanc@infosec.exchange more than one

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                            • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                              Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                              If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                              @ryanc It depends a lot on what you mean by registers and which execution domain you're talking about.

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                              • nspace@infosec.exchangeN nspace@infosec.exchange

                                @gsuberland @ryanc we have microcode for amd too 😛 and it works on the newest cpus unlike on intel. there are a lot of internal registes you can access only through microcode

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                                @nspace
                                Ooh, links?
                                @gsuberland @ryanc

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                                • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                                  @ryanc It depends a lot on what you mean by registers and which execution domain you're talking about.

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                                  @dalias yes

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                                  • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                                    Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                                    If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                                    @ryanc Related: I grew up thinking the 6502 had three registers.

                                    Then I saw someone say X and Y weren't registers at all.

                                    Then I saw someone else say the first 256 bytes of RAM *were* registers.

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                                    • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                                      Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                                      If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                                      @ryanc
                                      You *can* talk about "architectural registers" though. But even there, there are a bunch of special purpose registers, so what counts as a "register?"

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                                      • ryanc@infosec.exchangeR ryanc@infosec.exchange

                                        Saw a blog post titled "How many registers does an x86-64 CPU have?" and my immediate thought was "it's impossible to know and a sin to ask".

                                        If you think the answer is 16, by the way, no it is not.

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                                        @ryanc having looked into that blog post: complicated. Very complicated. (To quote the Doctor)

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                                        • bitchboss@marcella.masto.hostB bitchboss@marcella.masto.host

                                          @dascandy @ryanc

                                          Damn... Are those 8/16 bitters still in use?

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                                          @bitchboss @dascandy @ryanc yup, you even get them for the extended GPRs in x64

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