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  • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

    I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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    @jerry Let them know that despite there being plenty of anti-AI sentiment out in the world, it is not only NOT going away but it is up to the security community to fix it. Just like we did with PHP when that came out spawning hundreds of vulnerable websites from non-HTML programmers. Just like we did when we moved from server rooms to the cloud. Before HTTPS. And on and on. Whether we like it or not, security pros have to fix things.

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    • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

      I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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      @jerry
      #Ai is a new attack surface.

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      • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

        I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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        @jerry relaying how their org is doing when compared with their peers. I get asked that on the weekly. Understanding the risk completely and how that impacts the org is really important too, and being able to explain that risk. Don't misspeak either, especially in consulting roles.

        Don't be that nervous. They're just people at the end of the day who (hopefully) want to see their org mitigating future attacks. This one I notice a large difference between internal and consulting roles.

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        • simplenomad@rigor-mortis.nmrc.orgS simplenomad@rigor-mortis.nmrc.org

          @jerry Let them know that despite there being plenty of anti-AI sentiment out in the world, it is not only NOT going away but it is up to the security community to fix it. Just like we did with PHP when that came out spawning hundreds of vulnerable websites from non-HTML programmers. Just like we did when we moved from server rooms to the cloud. Before HTTPS. And on and on. Whether we like it or not, security pros have to fix things.

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          @jerry @simplenomad

          GIVE THIS PERSON AN AWARD!!!
          🎖️🏅🥇

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          • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

            @Viss @DamonHD @jerry I had a music major as my datacenter ops manager.

            I want you to understand, I know that sometimes, someone changing majors and/or professions sometimes happens and that these people can be quite good in a totally difference space (edit:clarification), but this dude paid for a cleaning service that does datacenters to come and clean the datacenter. It didn't really need it, and was genuinely a waste.

            Now, us replacing all of our network fabric, and re-doing our cable management, which was another huge endeavor, was a big win.

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            @da_667 @Viss @DamonHD @jerry I have 7/8 of a music degree.

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            • simplenomad@rigor-mortis.nmrc.orgS simplenomad@rigor-mortis.nmrc.org

              @jerry Let them know that despite there being plenty of anti-AI sentiment out in the world, it is not only NOT going away but it is up to the security community to fix it. Just like we did with PHP when that came out spawning hundreds of vulnerable websites from non-HTML programmers. Just like we did when we moved from server rooms to the cloud. Before HTTPS. And on and on. Whether we like it or not, security pros have to fix things.

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              @simplenomad @jerry I just make all my prompts end with “and be sure you make it secure” and everything is fine

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              • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                @jerry For high-level Corp. mgmt., communication governance in an incident is key. They may have to manage confidentiality while allowing the investigation to proceed, and they shouldn't allow info to propagate, even though high-ranked officials will demand access to the info. The story could get out before they could control this, which (obvs) will be detrimental to the stock price.

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                • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                  I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                  I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                  • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                    I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                    @jerry ROI , risk management, and throw in whaling examples. Have them think of a DFIR budget as insurance.

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                    • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                      I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                      @jerry cybersecurity means being both the problem and the solution. ducks

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                      • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                        I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                        @jerry Nah. I didn’t, and it went fine.

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                        • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                          I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                          @jerry Call it Super Security.

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                          • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                            I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                            @jerry This is broader than just risk, but my advice on talking to top leadership is to pay very close attention to the questions they ask. They are trying to make decisions about what the company should do, and if you are talking to them, it's likely because someone thinks you have information that could help them make that decision.

                            Have understandable answers and plan for the follow-up questions. Identify the key points you think the leaders need to know but may not know to ask.

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                            • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                              I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                              @jerry Also, it absolutely has to be established that Infosec runs the investigation, and can be allowed to turn things off. I once ran an incident communications workshop where the PR dept. said flatly: we will be running the investigation, as if they knew anything about systems. They wanted to govern the story completely.

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                              • sempf@infosec.exchangeS sempf@infosec.exchange

                                @da_667 @Viss @DamonHD @jerry I have 7/8 of a music degree.

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                                @Sempf @da_667 @DamonHD @jerry sure, its totally possible for people to be nerds and that not match their major. ive just encountered so many people with a 'masters in cybercyber' that dont have even basic experience, like installing an os or configuring a linksys its tainted the whole degree for me

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                                • sempf@infosec.exchangeS sempf@infosec.exchange

                                  @da_667 @Viss @DamonHD @jerry I have 7/8 of a music degree.

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                                  @Sempf @da_667 @Viss @jerry An education and a time signature! B^>

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                                  • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                                    I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                                    @jerry It’s when you “cyber” securely, e.g. door closed, lights off, all alone.

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                                    • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                                      I get to speak to a masters in cyber security class at a major university on Monday. They are learning about interacting with senior leadership/BoD on topics of cyber risk. I have many stories to share with them, but curious if y’all have any ideas on what you thank that group should know

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                                      @jerry
                                      Risk, as a cost

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                                      • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                                        @jerry relating any recommendations to financial impact is all they care about. How much it will cost to implement, vs. how much it'll cost if we don't implement it.

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                                        @da_667 @jerry Walk the fine line between fearmongering and allowing the BoD to snooze.

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                                        • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                                          I should probably figure out what cyber security means before I go speak to a masters class about cyber security.

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                                          @jerry I put on my robe and wizard hat… securely

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