Why are there so many articles about PLCs on the Internet where they specifically say they're vulnerable to attacks from Iran?
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@mttaggart @da_667 @nerdpr0f CISA appears to no longer be any more than three DOGE kids in a trenchcoat with a pile of cocaine. I don't expect citations from them anymore as I don't hardly trust them anymore. We can discuss some of that elsewhere when I get my brain in that mode, but there has been so much advice from CISA that appears to just be "Grok, search for Iran and rehash something to make it sound current and relevant."
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@da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f
oh like target!
some hvac vendor came in and thats how they got all their registers infected.yeah every time theres "big news"(tm) with nation state attackers everyone goes OH NO THEY CAN GO AFTER HYDRO AND POWER AND BANKS AND HOSPITALS
of course thats where they would go
all those verticals intentionally avoid security at nearly all cost all the time.
they're the lowest hanging fruit
@da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f when i worked at sempra energy, one of the things i got to do was "vendor security reviews". that means doing assessments on shit rando business units wanted to buy or setup.
they would OPEN THE DISCUSSION with the phrase:
"tell me when youre done with your assessment, so we can file the risk acceptance forms".
meaning they had zero interest in the report, because they were gonna bypass it no matter what was in it
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@da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f when i worked at sempra energy, one of the things i got to do was "vendor security reviews". that means doing assessments on shit rando business units wanted to buy or setup.
they would OPEN THE DISCUSSION with the phrase:
"tell me when youre done with your assessment, so we can file the risk acceptance forms".
meaning they had zero interest in the report, because they were gonna bypass it no matter what was in it
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@cR0w Eh, that's just contextualizing to make the risk seem more immediate. Everyone is worried about Iran right now, so it makes sense for articles intended to increase anxiety to be oriented around them.
@nerdpr0f @cR0w Figuring the same, causality could be the other way around. Iran takes up a lot of collective {mind,news}space right now, leaving writers to think "oh Damn what could They possibly Do to Our Sacred Infrastructure". The leap isn't far to grab the next best thing, it just turns out a general vulnerability is prone to abuse from Iranian hackers as well
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@nerdpr0f @cR0w Figuring the same, causality could be the other way around. Iran takes up a lot of collective {mind,news}space right now, leaving writers to think "oh Damn what could They possibly Do to Our Sacred Infrastructure". The leap isn't far to grab the next best thing, it just turns out a general vulnerability is prone to abuse from Iranian hackers as well
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@da_667 @cR0w @nerdpr0f weather, wildlife, and human error. the movie scenarios of mass cyber attacks are nonsense. most of the "cyber" happening with ICS/SCADA environments comes down to regular ransomware shit and phishing. even in the marine sector the biggest threat was pirate groups sending fake emails claiming to be the coastguard or a port authority telling the captain to redirect into unprotected waters, so they could steal the vessel's fuel. it ain't sophisticated at all.
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@da_667 @cR0w @nerdpr0f weather, wildlife, and human error. the movie scenarios of mass cyber attacks are nonsense. most of the "cyber" happening with ICS/SCADA environments comes down to regular ransomware shit and phishing. even in the marine sector the biggest threat was pirate groups sending fake emails claiming to be the coastguard or a port authority telling the captain to redirect into unprotected waters, so they could steal the vessel's fuel. it ain't sophisticated at all.
@gsuberland @da_667 @nerdpr0f I'm with you but you have to add the shitty firewall vulns in there in recent years too with ransomware and phishing.
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@gsuberland @da_667 @nerdpr0f I'm with you but you have to add the shitty firewall vulns in there in recent years too with ransomware and phishing.
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@gsuberland @da_667 @nerdpr0f Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, people tend to think it's either an accident an actor made their way into OT space ( often is ) or they're targeting it and using whatever new mythical version of
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@cR0w @da_667 @nerdpr0f hell even when it's state actors they just pick the simple stuff. IGRC needed to make it hard to navigate when they ("allegedly") stuck a limpet mine to the side of that fuel tanker near the Strait of Hormuz a few years ago. did they use an RCE to get into the ship's OT network, then pivot to the ECDIS to lock out navigation assistance? of course not, they just used a cheap radio jammer to make them lose GPS lock.
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@da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f when i worked at sempra energy, one of the things i got to do was "vendor security reviews". that means doing assessments on shit rando business units wanted to buy or setup.
they would OPEN THE DISCUSSION with the phrase:
"tell me when youre done with your assessment, so we can file the risk acceptance forms".
meaning they had zero interest in the report, because they were gonna bypass it no matter what was in it
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@da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f
oh like target!
some hvac vendor came in and thats how they got all their registers infected.yeah every time theres "big news"(tm) with nation state attackers everyone goes OH NO THEY CAN GO AFTER HYDRO AND POWER AND BANKS AND HOSPITALS
of course thats where they would go
all those verticals intentionally avoid security at nearly all cost all the time.
they're the lowest hanging fruit
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@tim_lavoie @da_667 @rootwyrm @cR0w @nerdpr0f with two exceptions, every medical professional ive ever met or known outside of a professional setting squarely puts the 'tech' of their clinic or hospital into the "someone elses problem" category. their position is it should be up to the 'tech people' to sort that shit out.
every hospital/clinic ive ever talked to refused to pay more than $5 for anything IT or security related. like they just outright refuse. completely. every time.
