Does anyone know exactly what features will I lose when I refuse to age-verify with Apple?
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@bitterseeds @ppb1701 @antonyh All true, but is this the right answer?
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@bitterseeds @ppb1701 @antonyh All true, but is this the right answer?
@AAKL @bitterseeds @antonyh debatable. There is logic that the device doing it might be more reliable and "secure" than every site or app doing a million different methods. But that does not change the fact it is still a privacy risk and arguably and overreach. I'm all for some reasonable rules and responsibilities....but that includes the parent (or guardians) should be well parenting.
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It's a business decision being made by a business
Apple
You may have heard of them
Not many politicians running the Apple business where I live
How about where you live?
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@AAKL @bitterseeds @antonyh debatable. There is logic that the device doing it might be more reliable and "secure" than every site or app doing a million different methods. But that does not change the fact it is still a privacy risk and arguably and overreach. I'm all for some reasonable rules and responsibilities....but that includes the parent (or guardians) should be well parenting.
@ppb1701 @bitterseeds @antonyh It is overreach. If you don't verify, the company will rummage through your credit records to determine your age. The biggest problem I see with this now is that other companies will adopt a similar approach.
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@ppb1701 @bitterseeds @antonyh It is overreach. If you don't verify, the company will rummage through your credit records to determine your age. The biggest problem I see with this now is that other companies will adopt a similar approach.
@AAKL @bitterseeds @antonyh totally. And every area that has done like porn site age checks or social media age checks is going to scream "make apple, google, microsoft deal with i....Apple already showed it can."
Of course there's no real guarantee they wont use that info for other things.
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@ppb1701 @bitterseeds @antonyh It is overreach. If you don't verify, the company will rummage through your credit records to determine your age. The biggest problem I see with this now is that other companies will adopt a similar approach.
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It's a business decision being made by a business
Apple
You may have heard of them
Not many politicians running the Apple business where I live
How about where you live?
@FinchHaven @antonyh @AAKL no need to be a snarky prick. These companies are being directed both overtly and covertly to do this. Don't BE that person who gets all high and mighty about things. sheesh.
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It's a business decision being made by a business
Apple
You may have heard of them
Not many politicians running the Apple business where I live
How about where you live?
@FinchHaven @antonyh @AAKL I live in California about 40 miles from Apple HQ, I've been in tech professionally for about 35 years so yeah. *ding* try again to make me feel small. It won't work.
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@FinchHaven @antonyh @AAKL no need to be a snarky prick. These companies are being directed both overtly and covertly to do this. Don't BE that person who gets all high and mighty about things. sheesh.
"Don't be that person who gets all paranoid and panicky about every conspiracy theory he thinks up"
Also, bye...
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@FinchHaven @antonyh @AAKL I live in California about 40 miles from Apple HQ, I've been in tech professionally for about 35 years so yeah. *ding* try again to make me feel small. It won't work.
@bitterseeds @FinchHaven @AAKL How long you have been in tech, and how far you are from Apple HQ has no bearing on how wrong you are on this matter, and Apple are interfering in UK politics. The sooner the UK & the EU can kill their dependencies on US tech the better.
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It's a business decision being made by a business
Apple
You may have heard of them
Not many politicians running the Apple business where I live
How about where you live?
@FinchHaven @bitterseeds @AAKL as for the business decision, that greatly depends on what the business benefit of age verification is. It's flimsy.
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"Don't be that person who gets all paranoid and panicky about every conspiracy theory he thinks up"
Also, bye...
You try to dress me down with snarky insults and post that quote. Nice! I bet your answers to Linux questions are "RTFM, moron".
️ Whatever.
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@bitterseeds @FinchHaven @AAKL How long you have been in tech, and how far you are from Apple HQ has no bearing on how wrong you are on this matter, and Apple are interfering in UK politics. The sooner the UK & the EU can kill their dependencies on US tech the better.
@antonyh @AAKL I was addressing @FinchHaven because they felt like making holier-than-thou comments.
EU forces Google, Apple and the rest to change their business ... like the current complaint from broadcasters about AppleTV and Siri.
Understand, I'm not defending Apple. I could careless except that it's the otherway around ... the Gov. is fucking with the citizenry and corps. My point was blame the Gov.
Anyway, I have work to do. 🫡
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@FinchHaven @bitterseeds @AAKL as for the business decision, that greatly depends on what the business benefit of age verification is. It's flimsy.
@antonyh @FinchHaven @AAKL I don't disagree. Just saying the Gov. sets the rules or have told these corps and indie devs what is coming down the pipe. The Gov. is to blame for this, just like in California, Colorado, Brazil and elsewhere.
Do you think I want this BS in FOSS projects? Hell no. Do I blame FOSS devs for things? Nope. I blame the Governments.
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Does anyone know exactly what features will I lose when I refuse to age-verify with Apple?
Accidentally ended up updating. Not happy but can check a few things and report back.
It looks like apps still work, music all seems to play, streaming video apps are normal.
I can still watch Platoon on iPlayer.
I can still listen to music with explicit lyrics.
Signal and Whatsapp seem ok. Linkedin downloaded and ran, but I didn't login. Some websites are blocked but Virgin Media blocks some anyway. I guess I'll not be able to buy lingerie from ONE well-known high street brand on iOS... plenty of others work. This is brand manipulation.
... or until the definition of 'restricted' content changes.
Eventually though, I'll have to update for other reasons. The OSA should never have been implemented into law, and Apple should not have overreached into the UK like this. It's not their role to play, policiing the Internet. Who controls the block list? Who monitors this for abuses?
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Accidentally ended up updating. Not happy but can check a few things and report back.
It looks like apps still work, music all seems to play, streaming video apps are normal.
I can still watch Platoon on iPlayer.
I can still listen to music with explicit lyrics.
Signal and Whatsapp seem ok. Linkedin downloaded and ran, but I didn't login. Some websites are blocked but Virgin Media blocks some anyway. I guess I'll not be able to buy lingerie from ONE well-known high street brand on iOS... plenty of others work. This is brand manipulation.
... or until the definition of 'restricted' content changes.
Eventually though, I'll have to update for other reasons. The OSA should never have been implemented into law, and Apple should not have overreached into the UK like this. It's not their role to play, policiing the Internet. Who controls the block list? Who monitors this for abuses?
I can still access gambling sites. The whole thing is a sham.
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@AAKL @antonyh This is what I was saying, they bowed to pressure from the Gov.
I don't expect it to be well received, that wasn't my comment. I live in California with it's bad law that violates our Federal laws but everyone seems to be bowing to it. It's horseshit but I blame the Gov, not the software. -
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