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Hey so how's ActiveDirectory going to implement that OS-based age-flag horseshit?

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  • nyanbinary@infosec.exchangeN nyanbinary@infosec.exchange

    @munin giving a kid access to an AD environment must be some form of child abuse, right?

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    @nyanbinary

    afaik the law makes no exemptions for business systems used, presumably, entirely by adults.

    So now, everyone's AD installs have to attest to their age; It's The Law after all.

    So your temporarily instantiated admin account you're using to modify a service - that's going to need to attest you're over 18.

    Is it going to pull that information from HR? is it going to make you answer a dialogue when you login? How is this going to be implemented in business systems that are, again, almost guaranteed to be only used by adults?

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    • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

      @nyanbinary

      afaik the law makes no exemptions for business systems used, presumably, entirely by adults.

      So now, everyone's AD installs have to attest to their age; It's The Law after all.

      So your temporarily instantiated admin account you're using to modify a service - that's going to need to attest you're over 18.

      Is it going to pull that information from HR? is it going to make you answer a dialogue when you login? How is this going to be implemented in business systems that are, again, almost guaranteed to be only used by adults?

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      @munin fwiw, its not entirely by adults, we have the odd minor on an internship/trainee - rare but still enough the assumption doesn't hold.

      The entire thing is ... technically conceptually easy, good luck implementing it: Add another field to users, then adapt all your automations to pull/maintain that field. Chances are you already have an information flow from your HR system (as the employment single source of truth) to your AD re: account creation & disabling. Same with admins: I sure hope you can track temporary accounts to their instantiators/initiators, "just" gotta update those tools now

      It's all so fucking stupid & unnecessary. It's such a bad law, even just technically, feels like not a single person who has ever used anything other than an IPad was involved in writing it.

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      • nyanbinary@infosec.exchangeN nyanbinary@infosec.exchange

        @munin fwiw, its not entirely by adults, we have the odd minor on an internship/trainee - rare but still enough the assumption doesn't hold.

        The entire thing is ... technically conceptually easy, good luck implementing it: Add another field to users, then adapt all your automations to pull/maintain that field. Chances are you already have an information flow from your HR system (as the employment single source of truth) to your AD re: account creation & disabling. Same with admins: I sure hope you can track temporary accounts to their instantiators/initiators, "just" gotta update those tools now

        It's all so fucking stupid & unnecessary. It's such a bad law, even just technically, feels like not a single person who has ever used anything other than an IPad was involved in writing it.

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        @munin it's so fucking useless, istg, we should just pull out of CA, chances are any changes to implement this thing would cost us more than we make in the state...

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        • nyanbinary@infosec.exchangeN nyanbinary@infosec.exchange

          @munin it's so fucking useless, istg, we should just pull out of CA, chances are any changes to implement this thing would cost us more than we make in the state...

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          @munin oh lol, I just realized... local accounts on firewalls and shit...

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          • nyanbinary@infosec.exchangeN nyanbinary@infosec.exchange

            @munin oh lol, I just realized... local accounts on firewalls and shit...

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            @nyanbinary

            Y u p .

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            • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

              @nyanbinary

              Y u p .

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              @nyanbinary

              hey how much you wanna bet some kind of admin tool's auth check ends up being bypassable if you set your age to 6?

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              • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                @nyanbinary

                hey how much you wanna bet some kind of admin tool's auth check ends up being bypassable if you set your age to 6?

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                @munin istg, if this is just a ploy to force everyone to replace their EOL appliances I am all here for it

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                • nyanbinary@infosec.exchangeN nyanbinary@infosec.exchange

                  @munin istg, if this is just a ploy to force everyone to replace their EOL appliances I am all here for it

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                  @munin also: absolutely racing you to the first ../ in the birthdate field

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                  • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                    @nyanbinary

                    afaik the law makes no exemptions for business systems used, presumably, entirely by adults.

                    So now, everyone's AD installs have to attest to their age; It's The Law after all.

                    So your temporarily instantiated admin account you're using to modify a service - that's going to need to attest you're over 18.

                    Is it going to pull that information from HR? is it going to make you answer a dialogue when you login? How is this going to be implemented in business systems that are, again, almost guaranteed to be only used by adults?

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                    @munin @nyanbinary For some reason this reminded me of company profiles on social media.
                    There was a period where these profiles would get locked because they were "under 13" (i.e. company age = person age).

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                    • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                      @nyanbinary

                      afaik the law makes no exemptions for business systems used, presumably, entirely by adults.

                      So now, everyone's AD installs have to attest to their age; It's The Law after all.

                      So your temporarily instantiated admin account you're using to modify a service - that's going to need to attest you're over 18.

                      Is it going to pull that information from HR? is it going to make you answer a dialogue when you login? How is this going to be implemented in business systems that are, again, almost guaranteed to be only used by adults?

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                      @munin @tychotithonus @nyanbinary Yes, and I’ve had interns who were under 18

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                      • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                        @nyanbinary

                        afaik the law makes no exemptions for business systems used, presumably, entirely by adults.

                        So now, everyone's AD installs have to attest to their age; It's The Law after all.

                        So your temporarily instantiated admin account you're using to modify a service - that's going to need to attest you're over 18.

                        Is it going to pull that information from HR? is it going to make you answer a dialogue when you login? How is this going to be implemented in business systems that are, again, almost guaranteed to be only used by adults?

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                        @munin @nyanbinary What about accounts that are not tied to a single person but has a group of individuals logging in to it?

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                        • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                          Hey so how's ActiveDirectory going to implement that OS-based age-flag horseshit?

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                          @munin mmh, so, they have abused LDAP and Kerberos… perhaps they can integrate YP for that?

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                          • munin@infosec.exchangeM munin@infosec.exchange

                            Hey so how's ActiveDirectory going to implement that OS-based age-flag horseshit?

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                            @munin something with Azure and linking it to a government-issued ID.
                            And we'll be waiting for the first world-wide outage.

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                            • maswan@mastodon.acc.sunet.seM maswan@mastodon.acc.sunet.se

                              @munin @nyanbinary What about accounts that are not tied to a single person but has a group of individuals logging in to it?

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                              @maswan @munin finally we can enforce gmsas by law

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                              • adamshostack@infosec.exchangeA adamshostack@infosec.exchange

                                @munin @tychotithonus @nyanbinary Yes, and I’ve had interns who were under 18

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                                @adamshostack @munin @tychotithonus @nyanbinary The average apprenticeship im most of Europe starts when you're under 18...

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