Saw a few videos this morning of Iranian drones targeting US military bases and blowing shit up.
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@briankrebs 4 million dollar patriot missile versus $40-80k Shahed and the Shaheds are a lot easier to build. If Iran still has a significant reservoir of these a few weeks from now, they're going to start hitting at much higher percentages as all those expensive interceptors systems run out of stuff to lob at them. The question is how much of Iran's supply can they keep bottled up inside bunkers by collapsing entrances.
@briankrebs I've kind of been mulling over this tactical doctrinr idea in my head of how a nation might better prepare themselves for the sort of attack that Israel and the US have just launched on Iran.
One of the interesting things about the Shahed is its very minimal launch requirements. You can launch single drones from a rack welded onto the back of a normal civilian pickup truck, for instance.
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@briankrebs I've kind of been mulling over this tactical doctrinr idea in my head of how a nation might better prepare themselves for the sort of attack that Israel and the US have just launched on Iran.
One of the interesting things about the Shahed is its very minimal launch requirements. You can launch single drones from a rack welded onto the back of a normal civilian pickup truck, for instance.
My idea is basically for a distributed Shahed based second strike capability. You basically implement something like Albania's insane bunkerization program, only instead of bunkers, what you're basically building is a vast number of inexpensive corrugated metal enclosed sheds, with say a pit toilet and a couple weeks water supply. You build so many of them that a potential adversary has no idea what is inside each one.
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My idea is basically for a distributed Shahed based second strike capability. You basically implement something like Albania's insane bunkerization program, only instead of bunkers, what you're basically building is a vast number of inexpensive corrugated metal enclosed sheds, with say a pit toilet and a couple weeks water supply. You build so many of them that a potential adversary has no idea what is inside each one.
It could be a truck with a single Shahed and a two or three person fire team...or it could be empty. And the vast majority of these are going to be empty because you are going to build a completely stupid number of these things. Albania built literally hundreds of thousands of concrete bunkers all across their country.
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@briankrebs ive heard a few refer to them as flying lawnmowers. Operators make them loud as an anxiety/fear amplifier.
@h2onolan @briankrebs the hobby ones, the ones i call quads, the 5" acro drones i used to flip over trees and stuff - those are similar. they are the opposite of covert. flying blenders. you can hear them for blocks in every direction, and thats not even when they're going full tilt.
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Saw a few videos this morning of Iranian drones targeting US military bases and blowing shit up. I was struck by how loud and slow these things are. It's as if the loudest leafblower on the planet had wings and a propeller.
This AP News story has some good detail on Iran's response to its neighbors, which indicates the majority of the many, many missiles and drones Iran sent at or near the UAE were intercepted, but that some less defended places were still hit due to the volume of the missile/drone volley.
"Officials in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates said Sunday that air defenses had dealt with 165 ballistic missiles, two cruise missiles and more than 540 Iranian drones over two days. While officials said they intercepted all air attacks Saturday, debris from the knocked-down weapons sparked blazes at some of Dubai’s most iconic locations."
"Some Iranian drones flew as far as a U.K. military base in Cyprus. The runway at the Royal Air Force base in Akrotiri was struck by an Iranian drone Sunday, according to U.K. officials, and sirens blared there again Monday when two more drones heading toward the base were intercepted."
"State-of-the-art U.S. and Israeli air defense assets have proven efficient in intercepting most of Iran’s ballistic missiles launched at Israel. But the attacks using large numbers of cheap drones hit some softer targets lacking the same level of protection."
Iranian drones buzz across the Persian Gulf after their pivotal use by Russia in Ukraine
The distinctive buzz of the Iranian-designed drones has become a familiar sound in Ukraine over the past four years.
AP News (apnews.com)
How much cost, effort, stress, time to make and launch one of those drones?
How much cost, effort, stress, time to make the intercept equipment and operate it sufficiently?
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@gme @briankrebs This. This x1000.
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It could be a truck with a single Shahed and a two or three person fire team...or it could be empty. And the vast majority of these are going to be empty because you are going to build a completely stupid number of these things. Albania built literally hundreds of thousands of concrete bunkers all across their country.
The US and Israel currently do not have an effective way of striking 100k targets in a cost-effective and time expedient manner. They might develop that capacity through mass production of something like Shaheds in order to take out these glorified garages, but I don't think they have it now. And if it is developed in the future...well... you give your launch teams some microphones and binoculars to spot any approaching US Shahed clones and then beat a quick exit - you've got a pickup truck.
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The US and Israel currently do not have an effective way of striking 100k targets in a cost-effective and time expedient manner. They might develop that capacity through mass production of something like Shaheds in order to take out these glorified garages, but I don't think they have it now. And if it is developed in the future...well... you give your launch teams some microphones and binoculars to spot any approaching US Shahed clones and then beat a quick exit - you've got a pickup truck.
Israel and the US have launched a really impressive number of sorties in recent days, but if Iran had built out a more widely distributed launch network instead, I think their reprisal attacks would have been almost unstable.
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Saw a few videos this morning of Iranian drones targeting US military bases and blowing shit up. I was struck by how loud and slow these things are. It's as if the loudest leafblower on the planet had wings and a propeller.
This AP News story has some good detail on Iran's response to its neighbors, which indicates the majority of the many, many missiles and drones Iran sent at or near the UAE were intercepted, but that some less defended places were still hit due to the volume of the missile/drone volley.
"Officials in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates said Sunday that air defenses had dealt with 165 ballistic missiles, two cruise missiles and more than 540 Iranian drones over two days. While officials said they intercepted all air attacks Saturday, debris from the knocked-down weapons sparked blazes at some of Dubai’s most iconic locations."
"Some Iranian drones flew as far as a U.K. military base in Cyprus. The runway at the Royal Air Force base in Akrotiri was struck by an Iranian drone Sunday, according to U.K. officials, and sirens blared there again Monday when two more drones heading toward the base were intercepted."
"State-of-the-art U.S. and Israeli air defense assets have proven efficient in intercepting most of Iran’s ballistic missiles launched at Israel. But the attacks using large numbers of cheap drones hit some softer targets lacking the same level of protection."
Iranian drones buzz across the Persian Gulf after their pivotal use by Russia in Ukraine
The distinctive buzz of the Iranian-designed drones has become a familiar sound in Ukraine over the past four years.
AP News (apnews.com)
@briankrebs@infosec.exchange
The three F15Es that got killed were supposedly due to there being so much flight-activity in the intercept control-zone. Basically, so much that the IFF method the F15Es were using got lost in the signal-clutter.
That the US is now deploying LUCAS is really going to accelerate the need for markedly more-capable signals-processing (to increase the saturation-threshold). If there wasn't so much destruction, casualties and loss of life, it'd be purely academically interesting. -
Saw a few videos this morning of Iranian drones targeting US military bases and blowing shit up. I was struck by how loud and slow these things are. It's as if the loudest leafblower on the planet had wings and a propeller.
This AP News story has some good detail on Iran's response to its neighbors, which indicates the majority of the many, many missiles and drones Iran sent at or near the UAE were intercepted, but that some less defended places were still hit due to the volume of the missile/drone volley.
"Officials in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates said Sunday that air defenses had dealt with 165 ballistic missiles, two cruise missiles and more than 540 Iranian drones over two days. While officials said they intercepted all air attacks Saturday, debris from the knocked-down weapons sparked blazes at some of Dubai’s most iconic locations."
"Some Iranian drones flew as far as a U.K. military base in Cyprus. The runway at the Royal Air Force base in Akrotiri was struck by an Iranian drone Sunday, according to U.K. officials, and sirens blared there again Monday when two more drones heading toward the base were intercepted."
"State-of-the-art U.S. and Israeli air defense assets have proven efficient in intercepting most of Iran’s ballistic missiles launched at Israel. But the attacks using large numbers of cheap drones hit some softer targets lacking the same level of protection."
Iranian drones buzz across the Persian Gulf after their pivotal use by Russia in Ukraine
The distinctive buzz of the Iranian-designed drones has become a familiar sound in Ukraine over the past four years.
AP News (apnews.com)
@briankrebs I guess CRAM is too old school? I dont get it.
