can we talk about how deliberately, purposefully cruel the UK settlement (permanent residency) process is

[whitequark@social.treehouse.systems]

i'm well-off enough that this stuff only feels like an existential threat to my life instead of being an existential threat to my life, and i can afford to pay all the stacked fees (even if it seriously eats into my finances). i don't expect most people to be so lucky

[chuckmcmanis@chaos.social]

@whitequark

Harrison wrote some stories based on that premise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathworld

@gsuberland

[artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gay]

@coral @whitequark police registration is weirdly common, e.g. in the us non-citizens have to report their address to uscis after moving. in italy non-citizens entering from other schengen countries are required to register within 8 days, or stay in a hotel that performs the registration. china has a similar registration requirement, but hotels that accept foreigners will handle it.

[whitequark@social.treehouse.systems]

@artemist @coral i knew about china and russia but i had no idea schengen states do this

[1@mastodon.vierkantor.com]

mx [@whitequark, @artemist, @coral], the Netherlands, Poland and Spain have similar requirements too, and those are just the countries it (various levels of officially) lived in recently.

[artemist@social.mildlyfunctional.gay]

@1 the difference with the US, CN, and IT requirements is that they only apply to foreign citizens. I'm not sure if NL, PL, or ES have similar requirements for their own citizens

[1@mastodon.vierkantor.com]

mx @artemist, if this one recalls correctly: in [Poland, Spain], non-citizens (even if they are from the EU) need to register their address with the police and update it when they move (in Spain even when they change their occupation!). in the Netherlands they need to do so with the immigration and naturalization service.

in addition, all people (including citizens) are required to register their address with the municipality in [the Netherlands, Spain]. for Poland this one is not completely sure how the process works.

[atatra@computerfairi.es]

@whitequark I'm already anxious about this for my wife when she reaches 5 years on her visa, as well as the 4k+ GBP we need to renew her visa in less than two years, god this entire thing is plainly racist and discriminatory

[whitequark@social.treehouse.systems]

@Atatra that's why i thought it extremely important to get a 5 year GLT visa even though they charged like a metric fuckton for it as the "NHS surcharge" (doesn't go to the NHS)

[samantazfox@infosec.exchange]

@whitequark That's crazy O.o

For anyone on the continent, across the channel, this is 3707 €, or about that much minimum wage:
* 2.57 months [in France](https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F2300)
* 3 months [in Spain](https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/gobierno/news/paginas/2024/minimum-wage-spain-smi.aspx)
* 4.21 months [in Greece](https://www.gov.gr/en/sdg/work-and-retirement/terms-and-conditions-of-employment/general/minimum-wage-and-minimum-daily-wage)