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So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age.

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  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

    @AccordingtoWouter k

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    @JessTheUnstill but I think if you need to prove your ID, it doesn’t exist that long anymore 😀

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    • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

      @erin Or just make a reference to leaving a message on an answering machine.

      @JessTheUnstill

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      @faithisleaping @erin @JessTheUnstill Me: "Great video! I had to rewind-"
      My Discord NSA agent: "He's clear, sir."

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      • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

        So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

        Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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        @JessTheUnstill Use Stoat.chat instead. formerly known as @revoltchat

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        • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

          So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

          Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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          @JessTheUnstill

          i wonder if AI excepts this as ID to "infer my age" 🤭

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          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

            So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

            Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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            Discord roll out global age verification system, including an "age inference" model that runs in the background

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            @JessTheUnstill I write like I'm going to be graded. I should be okay.

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            • ainar_von_fieln@mastodon.socialA ainar_von_fieln@mastodon.social

              @JessTheUnstill Use Stoat.chat instead. formerly known as @revoltchat

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              @Ainar_von_Fieln @JessTheUnstill @revoltchat As far as I can tell it doesn't support video chat, so it doesn't meet my use case.

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              • valsombra@chaosfem.twV valsombra@chaosfem.tw

                @JessTheUnstill @FknHannu

                I think the main thing keeping people on platforms like Discord & Facebook are the group management features.

                Private Facebook groups offer the 'walled garden' vibe for special interests, while Discord makes it much easier to organize a community.

                There's a feature gap that I haven't seen any other products step in to fill (especially for non-technical users).

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                @valsombra @JessTheUnstill @FknHannu This has been done before though. Reddit replacing digg. Facebook replacing myspace. It takes a lot of effort to move users, and in a few years the new thing is somehow worse than the previous thing. I'm never going to be excited about another "product" ever.

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                • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                  So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

                  Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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                  Discord roll out global age verification system, including an "age inference" model that runs in the background

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                  @JessTheUnstill They've *been* running ML against everything to infer your age. I requested my data last year and it had my assumed age in it. Doesn't make it less creepy, just wanted to let y'all know discord has always been creepy.

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                  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                    So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

                    Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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                    Discord roll out global age verification system, including an "age inference" model that runs in the background

                    I hate Discord with the intensity of a supernova falling into a black hole. I hate its ungainly profusion of tabs and v…

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                    @JessTheUnstill What do we think about building a discord clone in Freenet

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                    • the_moth@social.arctian.orgT the_moth@social.arctian.org

                      @JessTheUnstill What do we think about building a discord clone in Freenet

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                      there's not a lack of Discord alternatives. There's a lack of GOOD Discord alternatives.

                      @the_moth

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                      • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                        there's not a lack of Discord alternatives. There's a lack of GOOD Discord alternatives.

                        @the_moth

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                        @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                        I don't use Discord. What are the essential features that Discord does for you? (I know in general that it's doing text chat and audio and maybe video conf, and some other stuff? but specifically like how do you use it in ways that make it really killer for that purpose?)

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                        • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                          @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                          I don't use Discord. What are the essential features that Discord does for you? (I know in general that it's doing text chat and audio and maybe video conf, and some other stuff? but specifically like how do you use it in ways that make it really killer for that purpose?)

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                          @dlakelan @the_moth

                          Easy enough my non-technical friends are willing to switch to.

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                          • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                            @dlakelan @the_moth

                            Easy enough my non-technical friends are willing to switch to.

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                            @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                            Easy enough to what though? Like I honestly don't know how people use Discord. Is it just like better in-game audio chats? Or is it like hanging out and talking? or text chat solving problems or like what?

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                            • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                              @dlakelan @the_moth

                              Easy enough my non-technical friends are willing to switch to.

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                              @JessTheUnstill
                              The eternal struggle of the OSS and privacy world.
                              @dlakelan @the_moth

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                              • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                                So it's not just that Discord is requiring pictures or IDs to verify age. They're also going to be running AI against everything you do on there to "infer" your age... So make sure you "type old".

                                Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.”

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                                @JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange It will use account age and usage patterns, NOT message content

                                But it's a good reminder that Discord is not end-to-end encrypted (therefore they can physically access your message content if desired)

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                                • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                  Easy enough to what though? Like I honestly don't know how people use Discord. Is it just like better in-game audio chats? Or is it like hanging out and talking? or text chat solving problems or like what?

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                                  @dlakelan @the_moth
                                  I mean don't take me for a complete user story wishlist. But for some random use case vomit

                                  My primary Discord is just about 20 old friends, mix of engineers at some of the largest tech cos in the world all the way to limited technical interest and expertise folks. We're really chatty with text and memes and gifs and pictures, good link previews, custom emojis, a couple dozen topic channels, we spin up new threads frequently, able to DM. I know some folks will watch videos together, but I don't know if they do the video in app or if they all just play it themselves and have an audio channel to talk.

                                  A solid mobile app is a must. Most of us use our phones. "Just works", fast and responsive

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                                  • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                                    @dlakelan @the_moth
                                    I mean don't take me for a complete user story wishlist. But for some random use case vomit

                                    My primary Discord is just about 20 old friends, mix of engineers at some of the largest tech cos in the world all the way to limited technical interest and expertise folks. We're really chatty with text and memes and gifs and pictures, good link previews, custom emojis, a couple dozen topic channels, we spin up new threads frequently, able to DM. I know some folks will watch videos together, but I don't know if they do the video in app or if they all just play it themselves and have an audio channel to talk.

                                    A solid mobile app is a must. Most of us use our phones. "Just works", fast and responsive

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                                    @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                    My experience with Signal is it works well for the text chatty emoji animated GIF meme posting links etc, and at least 10 or 20 people who are nontechnical got connected easily when there was the eaton fire and I offered a group chat as a way for the block to organize... (ie. if they're motivated to do it, nontechnical people have no actual problem)

                                    But it's not a place you'd want to hang and audio shoot-the-shit I think.

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                                    • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                      My experience with Signal is it works well for the text chatty emoji animated GIF meme posting links etc, and at least 10 or 20 people who are nontechnical got connected easily when there was the eaton fire and I offered a group chat as a way for the block to organize... (ie. if they're motivated to do it, nontechnical people have no actual problem)

                                      But it's not a place you'd want to hang and audio shoot-the-shit I think.

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                                      @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                      to do separate topic threads, you'd have to create new groups for each topic... which is OK I guess.

                                      So then the real question is how to do a group audio chat, and/or video chat in a way that feels "comfortable". Signal does do audio calls 1-1 and it does video calls for groups and you can turn off your camera. but it doesn't feel like it's quite what people want

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                                      • dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org

                                        @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                        to do separate topic threads, you'd have to create new groups for each topic... which is OK I guess.

                                        So then the real question is how to do a group audio chat, and/or video chat in a way that feels "comfortable". Signal does do audio calls 1-1 and it does video calls for groups and you can turn off your camera. but it doesn't feel like it's quite what people want

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                                        @dlakelan @the_moth The channels part with signal is the killer. Anytime we add someone new we have to re add them to 12 different group chats, the chats would constantly reorder themselves in the app, it'd be a mess

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                                        • jesstheunstill@infosec.exchangeJ jesstheunstill@infosec.exchange

                                          @dlakelan @the_moth The channels part with signal is the killer. Anytime we add someone new we have to re add them to 12 different group chats, the chats would constantly reorder themselves in the app, it'd be a mess

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                                          @JessTheUnstill @the_moth

                                          Yeah, you can have a "main" chat for friends, and then send invite links to the main chat for anyone who wants to join the "xyz topic". So it's easy to get people to sort themselves into the chats, but yes, the chat reorders, it's hard to keep track of more than 4-5 active chats

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