AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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@raymaccarthy @plwt a lot of people find things like translation a valuable part of the platform, and makes the web more accessible - including me.
I personally think opening up more of the web via translation is a important feature to have in the browser.
@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
Unfortunately no-one is trustworthy. The results are dubious and entire page via browser (tested in Chromium & Firefox) is misleading and a privacy horror.Hence I'll copy / paste fragments for translation.
A web browser should NOT be a platform, but simply render web pages for screen or "print" (which might be PDF).
Print is still abysmal.Also it's obnoxious that the browser GUI ignores the OS GUI / theme/style and imposes an idiot one.
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@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
What Vivaldi says or does is irrelevant.Mozilla did a stupid survey that didn't actually ask if people wanted AI or ML at all.
Most people just want a browser. No need for an AI off switch as there is no reason to have ANY ML or AI of ANY kind in the first place.
Mozilla by any sane metric has been making Thunderbird and Firefox worse for years. I used them practically from release on XP till 2016.
I used Waterfox with Classic Theme restorer for a while after GUI bork.@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs The recent survey was not from the Mozilla Corporation (that makes Firefox), but from the Mozilla Foundation. I would not expect it to mention Firefox.
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@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
Unfortunately no-one is trustworthy. The results are dubious and entire page via browser (tested in Chromium & Firefox) is misleading and a privacy horror.Hence I'll copy / paste fragments for translation.
A web browser should NOT be a platform, but simply render web pages for screen or "print" (which might be PDF).
Print is still abysmal.Also it's obnoxious that the browser GUI ignores the OS GUI / theme/style and imposes an idiot one.
@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs Catering for every UI would make maintaining the features that people like to use much more challenging.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs I wonder how many people will still complain…
//checkes the comments
that's about right - tiny vocal minority is still absurdly butthurt…
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@firefoxwebdevs Great. Make it the default. Listen to the survey.
@fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?
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@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs Catering for every UI would make maintaining the features that people like to use much more challenging.
@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
No it's simpler. unless you are using a broken framework. I was writing desktop SW 15 years ago and without ANY extra work it used the Mac, Redhat, Ubuntu, XP or Vista theme in use.Most programs on XP, Win7, Win10, Linux etc use the current theme.
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@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs The recent survey was not from the Mozilla Corporation (that makes Firefox), but from the Mozilla Foundation. I would not expect it to mention Firefox.
@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
It was a survey about inclusion of AI that didn't ask if it was even wanted.It's disingenuous to suggest it's not related to Firefox.
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@firefoxwebdevs AI crap like this has driven me back to using Lynx in the terminal for most of my browsing until I can find a browser not infected with Google, Apple, and now Firefox code. If I do need a graphic web browser I just us IronWolf and don't log into your account. I used to be a huge evangelist for your browser and other tools but no more. We have told you we don't want this, we want to support you and tell our friends to use you yet you make it impossible. For "Bob"'s sake LISTEN
@kittyjynx @firefoxwebdevs
> a browser not infected with Google, Apple, and now Firefox codePale Moon? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
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@mausmalone I don't think so. But of course it will be mentioned in release notes. We're not exactly being quiet about it.
@firefoxwebdevs I mean ... as much as I appreciate the transparency for the sort of people who follow release notes and developer channels, the whole idea of putting this is a user-friendly and straightforward settings page is to help the un-tech-savvy users who don't.
Like, both my wife and my kid use Firefox and they're NEVER gonna read a release note.
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@firefoxwebdevs I mean ... as much as I appreciate the transparency for the sort of people who follow release notes and developer channels, the whole idea of putting this is a user-friendly and straightforward settings page is to help the un-tech-savvy users who don't.
Like, both my wife and my kid use Firefox and they're NEVER gonna read a release note.
@mausmalone also, the way this button is being presented feels like we are enabling a sparkly new thing? Kind of the opposite of what it is doing
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@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
It was a survey about inclusion of AI that didn't ask if it was even wanted.It's disingenuous to suggest it's not related to Firefox.
@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs Apologies, I am not trying to be disingenuous. There was a survey recently from the Mozilla Foundation that was looking at their future work. Many people seem to think it was tied to Firefox.
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@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
No it's simpler. unless you are using a broken framework. I was writing desktop SW 15 years ago and without ANY extra work it used the Mac, Redhat, Ubuntu, XP or Vista theme in use.Most programs on XP, Win7, Win10, Linux etc use the current theme.
@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs It would need to cater for not only Windows and macOS (possibly multiple versions of both) as well as quite a few different Linux desktops. At the same time, it would need to have light and dark modes for all.
With Fx having the same broad style across most platforms feels much better to support and easier for contributors to work on.
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@kittyjynx @firefoxwebdevs
> a browser not infected with Google, Apple, and now Firefox codePale Moon? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon
@Ostrobothnia @firefoxwebdevs Thanks for the rec! I just installed it and will be test driving for a bit!
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs yay! \o/
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
What Mozilla did:
️What the users actually wanted:
️Duke of Germany 💫 (@duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place)
Let's ask the real question: Firefox users, do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions? @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @davidgerard@circumstances.run @tante@tldr.nettime.org #Firefox #InformedConsent [ ] I want AI built into Firefox [ ] I want AI separated into extensions [ ] Mozilla should not focus on AI features at all
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@fabio @firefoxwebdevs survey only shows a tiny fraction of the total userbase. why it should influencethe default?
@wojtek @fabio @firefoxwebdevs then why do a survey?
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Don’t write "we“ where you should have written "I“. I find many AI features useful.
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@mike @firefoxwebdevs "AI is changing the web" is also certainly one way of describing the unending tide of SEO-optimized slop coating every surface that's made using the web as a source of information and knowledge virtually impossible.
@alahmnat @mike @firefoxwebdevs SEO optimized shit came long before AI and has nothing to do with it. This myth that the web was a healthy place before LLMs came is annoying.
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@mkj the next major ESR release is 153.0esr. That will include all features between Fx140 and Fx153 and is scheduled to ship on 2026-06-21.
In terms of policy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2005805
@firefoxwebdevs Thank you!
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@alahmnat @mike @firefoxwebdevs SEO optimized shit came long before AI and has nothing to do with it. This myth that the web was a healthy place before LLMs came is annoying.
@Mastokarl No, the web wasn't in great shape before 2022, but LLMs have made the problem a billion times worse.
