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  3. It's not about "principles."

It's not about "principles."

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  • pliny@tech.lgbtP pliny@tech.lgbt

    @HakeemG @QasimRashid If this were a debate about whether Bernie or Newsom were the better politician, it might be worth debunking that comparison.

    It'd be a distraction from the primary point though - the false comparison between Newsom's amoral messaging and other communication styles on the left.

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    @pliny @QasimRashid

    Bernie going on Fox News and claiming a false equivalency between the two parties is also morally corrupt. 14 million people are projected to die because of cuts to US Aid.

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      @pliny @QasimRashid

      Bernie going on Fox News and claiming a false equivalency between the two parties is also morally corrupt. 14 million people are projected to die because of cuts to US Aid.

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      @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid this pearl clutching is very weird. Asserting that both parties are deeply compromised by monied interests to the point that neither represents the working class is not drawing a false equivalence. It's not zero sum - one party is bad and the other is worse.

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      • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

        It's not about "principles."

        Ben Shaprio said "Arabs like to live in open sewage"—Newsom welcomed him

        Kirk called Black women intellectually inferior—Newsom welcomed him

        Rogan & Maher drop the N-word with impunity & praise Trump—Corporate Dems go on their shows without delay

        Liz Cheney is pro Iraq War, voted against ERA, Equality Act, Voting Rights, Repro rights, Minimum Wage increase—she got to campaign with Harris

        You don't need to defend Piker to recognize this absurd & racist hypocrisy.

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        @QasimRashid I refer to the Arabs, notably their leadership, as 'Disneyland Arabs': just when are they going to wake up to reality?

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        • hunterz@mastodon.sdf.orgH hunterz@mastodon.sdf.org

          @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid this pearl clutching is very weird. Asserting that both parties are deeply compromised by monied interests to the point that neither represents the working class is not drawing a false equivalence. It's not zero sum - one party is bad and the other is worse.

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          @HunterZ @pliny @QasimRashid

          What's fing weird is that the Nazis are ruining the world as we speak and the Bernie bros are still hanging on to the both sides BS. 14 million of the world's poorest people are about to die as a result of cuts to US Aid and you guys are still at it.

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          • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

            It's not about "principles."

            Ben Shaprio said "Arabs like to live in open sewage"—Newsom welcomed him

            Kirk called Black women intellectually inferior—Newsom welcomed him

            Rogan & Maher drop the N-word with impunity & praise Trump—Corporate Dems go on their shows without delay

            Liz Cheney is pro Iraq War, voted against ERA, Equality Act, Voting Rights, Repro rights, Minimum Wage increase—she got to campaign with Harris

            You don't need to defend Piker to recognize this absurd & racist hypocrisy.

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            @QasimRashid the black race isn't inferior but when one from a certain family makes a crime , they say the whole family committed the crime

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            • H hakeemg@mastodon.social

              @HunterZ @pliny @QasimRashid

              What's fing weird is that the Nazis are ruining the world as we speak and the Bernie bros are still hanging on to the both sides BS. 14 million of the world's poorest people are about to die as a result of cuts to US Aid and you guys are still at it.

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              @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid and unless something changes, when Democrats return to power they'll barely even lift a finger to fix any of it, because the donor class will keep bribing and blackmailing them into sitting on their hands so that they can continue to shove everything into a money-spitting wood chipper.

              The political center in the US has been rotted out. The people feel this even if they can't see it - and fascists are gaining power because they admit it, while lying about the causes

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              • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                It's not about "principles."

                Ben Shaprio said "Arabs like to live in open sewage"—Newsom welcomed him

                Kirk called Black women intellectually inferior—Newsom welcomed him

                Rogan & Maher drop the N-word with impunity & praise Trump—Corporate Dems go on their shows without delay

                Liz Cheney is pro Iraq War, voted against ERA, Equality Act, Voting Rights, Repro rights, Minimum Wage increase—she got to campaign with Harris

                You don't need to defend Piker to recognize this absurd & racist hypocrisy.

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                @QasimRashid Do absolute purity demands help?

                LBJ was an utter sleazebag. Nixon, even more so. Yet they oversaw structural reform, the last potuses before the counter revolution. Likeable Carter had a penchant for covert ops, including assassinations. It took the unliked horror clown now in charge to eclipse the liked horror clown St. Ronnie.

                A scale, not an absolute. Are Sanders, AOC perfect? I’d argue for accepting human imperfection, as a given, calling for limits.

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                • H hakeemg@mastodon.social

                  @QasimRashid

                  Wild accusations because Bernie loves to go on right wing shows and you love that guy. Bernie has been on Rogan, Schultz, Fox News, etc... and leftists were throwing tantrums about Kamala not going on Rogan, even though he basically cancelled on her.

                  Personally, I agree with you that no Democrat should ever go on right wing media and legitimize it. Liz Cheney for all her faults was one of the few Republicans to call Trump out. That you guys are crying about it is pathetic.

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                  @HakeemG @QasimRashid
                  Your unceasing whataboutism has finally persuaded me that attempting to have standards for Democrat politicians is meaningless and I should definitely only vote for centrist dems who pander to their imaginary republican base.

                  /sarcasm

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                  • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                    It's not about "principles."

                    Ben Shaprio said "Arabs like to live in open sewage"—Newsom welcomed him

                    Kirk called Black women intellectually inferior—Newsom welcomed him

                    Rogan & Maher drop the N-word with impunity & praise Trump—Corporate Dems go on their shows without delay

                    Liz Cheney is pro Iraq War, voted against ERA, Equality Act, Voting Rights, Repro rights, Minimum Wage increase—she got to campaign with Harris

                    You don't need to defend Piker to recognize this absurd & racist hypocrisy.

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                    @QasimRashid USamericans: get something better than what you voted for 1.5 years ago & unleashed onto the world RIGHT NOW. It shouldn't be hard! ANYTHING is better than your Guardians Of Pedophiles & Felon 47!

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                    • hunterz@mastodon.sdf.orgH hunterz@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid and unless something changes, when Democrats return to power they'll barely even lift a finger to fix any of it, because the donor class will keep bribing and blackmailing them into sitting on their hands so that they can continue to shove everything into a money-spitting wood chipper.

                      The political center in the US has been rotted out. The people feel this even if they can't see it - and fascists are gaining power because they admit it, while lying about the causes

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                      @HunterZ @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid This is how it looks to me FWIW. Getting action to actually and meaningfully punish the naked graft, influence peddling, and war crimes enabled by Trump 2.0 will be an extremely heavy lift.

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                      • me_valentijn@m.ai6yr.orgM me_valentijn@m.ai6yr.org

                        @HakeemG @QasimRashid
                        Your unceasing whataboutism has finally persuaded me that attempting to have standards for Democrat politicians is meaningless and I should definitely only vote for centrist dems who pander to their imaginary republican base.

                        /sarcasm

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                        @me_valentijn @QasimRashid

                        Is that what you think this is? I wouldn't dare try to deprogram the other cult.

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                        • hunterz@mastodon.sdf.orgH hunterz@mastodon.sdf.org

                          @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid and unless something changes, when Democrats return to power they'll barely even lift a finger to fix any of it, because the donor class will keep bribing and blackmailing them into sitting on their hands so that they can continue to shove everything into a money-spitting wood chipper.

                          The political center in the US has been rotted out. The people feel this even if they can't see it - and fascists are gaining power because they admit it, while lying about the causes

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                          @HunterZ @pliny @QasimRashid

                          The donor class being who?

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                            @HunterZ @pliny @QasimRashid

                            The donor class being who?

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                            @HakeemG @HunterZ @QasimRashid The people trying so hard to convince you that Bernie Bros are A.) Still a thing and B.) The sole source of your electoral ills.

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                              @HunterZ @pliny @QasimRashid

                              The donor class being who?

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                              @HakeemG @pliny @QasimRashid

                              There you go again being weird

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                                @me_valentijn @QasimRashid

                                Is that what you think this is? I wouldn't dare try to deprogram the other cult.

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                                @HakeemG @me_valentijn @QasimRashid now look who's drawing false equivalencies. You are not a serious actor, enjoy your mute.

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