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It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid.

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  • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

    It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

    There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

    This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
    

    That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

    We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

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    @avilewis We have Calgary Co-op and its prices are not lower. They even have their own brands. Industry concentration is also further up the supply chain. Distribution, manufacturing.

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    • rjohnston@techhub.socialR rjohnston@techhub.social

      @avilewis Boomerang routing is probably the low-hanging fruit of digital sovereignty.

      Network traffic between 2 points within Canada crosses the border into the US and comes back again (and not because that's the shortest route).

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      @avilewis https://www.cigionline.org/articles/canadian-network-sovereignty/

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      • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

        It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

        There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

        This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
        

        That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

        We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

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        Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

        Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

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        CBC (www.cbc.ca)

        #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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        @avilewis Thank you. This sounds bonkers - how in the world is it environmentally sound to "recycle" water from Vancouver's BC Place, at a data center that's a 4 hr drive away? There's no way this is anything but greenwashing.

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        • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

          @avilewis I would love to take a peek at this sovereign AI plan and how much of it stays within Canadian borders

          I wish we were building a Canadian alternative to AWS / Azure / Google for computing - there is no real solution for anyone in Canada who wants to host their workloads. Zero. Europe has a few but we don’t. We should be addressing that.

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          @renata @avilewis Canadian institutions should be building self-hosted solutions on proven technologies like Nextcloud. UBC moved in this direction recently after the Canvas debacle.

          We don't need a "Canadian" cloud, we just need to remember that running our own servers isn't actually that hard.

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          • n01100010@zeroes.caN n01100010@zeroes.ca

            @avilewis
            How about no AI data centres. Period.

            Not "until there's democratic debate" or "federal guardrails".

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            @N01100010 @avilewis I mean, on the plus side, if we just stall them for like 6 more months the AI bubble will probably finish bursting and take care of the problem for us.

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            • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

              It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

              There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

              This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
              

              That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

              We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

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              Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

              Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

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              CBC (www.cbc.ca)

              #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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              @avilewis

              Of course it's Telus. The company impossible to actually deal with. We could actually be doing a lot of great things, but we're not because they want big business involved in everything.

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              • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

                It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

                There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

                This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
                

                That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

                We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

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                Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

                Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

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                CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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                @avilewis

                I'm glad you're calling this out. Here's a Nora Loreto article on the same topic that may be of interest:

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                Carney's AI promise that no one asked for

                Update: Evan Solomon promised an average of $1.5M to 44 AI companies in Canada.

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                (noraloreto.substack.com)

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                • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

                  It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

                  There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

                  This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
                  

                  That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

                  We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

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                  Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

                  Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

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                  CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                  #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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                  @avilewis

                  Data centres built to store Canadian data in Canada rather than the US are a good thing.

                  Data centres built to waste energy and water while enabling AI crap are evil.

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                  • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

                    It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

                    There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

                    This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
                    

                    That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

                    We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

                    Link Preview Image
                    Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

                    Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

                    favicon

                    CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                    #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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                    @avilewis Stay Strong, T'kemlups.

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                    • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

                      It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

                      There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

                      This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
                      

                      That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

                      We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

                      Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

                      favicon

                      CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                      #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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                      Boy, who hates Kamloops? First a stinky paper mill and now datacenter(s)?

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                      • avilewis@mstdn.caA avilewis@mstdn.ca

                        It’s time to build affordable homes, a national network of public grocery stores, electric buses and an east-west clean energy grid. Not massive corporate AI data centres unleashed without any democratic debate.

                        There's also no real data sovereignty in an AI ecosystem dominated by U.S. tech giants. Telus may be Canadian-owned, but it has already transferred 14 petabytes of Canadian data onto Google Cloud as part of its AI strategy.

                        This is a technology that will bring sweeping changes at a scale and speed never seen before. Canadians deserve real oversight and a robust regulatory framework before we rush ahead.
                        

                        That’s why we’re calling for an immediate pause on the construction of any new AI data centres until strong federal guardrails are in place.

                        We can’t sit back and let Big Tech billionaires decide our future for us.

                        Link Preview Image
                        Plan unveiled for 'sovereign AI data centre' cluster in Kamloops, Vancouver | CBC News

                        Vancouver and Kamloops will be home to a new data centre cluster under a planned partnership announced by the federal government and Telus.

                        favicon

                        CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                        #cdnpoli #BCpoli #AI

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                        @avilewis
                        Let's also not forget that Telus, the seemingly unrestricted from any anti-consumer laws security, "health", TV distribution outlet and sometimes ISP decided it was too hard to run Email servers and handed all of their customers email accounts over to Google.

                        When one traces network paths from Telus BC to places in Ontario or Quebec, we can watch the network packets traverse over networks in the US to get there.

                        Telus doesn't have any interest in being Canadian aside from sucking up every last Canadian dollar they can.

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