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    #1

    Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

    "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
    Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

    "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
     
    "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

    https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

    https://archive.ph/v2dwg

    pippz@infosec.exchangeP elmuerte@idlethumbs.socialE davep@infosec.exchangeD lightfighter@infosec.exchangeL skyglobe@hostux.socialS 20 Replies Last reply
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    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

      Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

      "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
      Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

      "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
       
      "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

      https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

      https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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      #2

      @briankrebs LOLz at them successfully rationing anything.

      If they knew how to do that in the first place, we wouldn’t be where we are.

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      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

        Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

        "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
        Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

        "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
         
        "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

        https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

        https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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        #3

        @briankrebs with all that spend money... where is the improved quality of life?
        Since the start of the whole LLM AI hype I've only seen the quality of life being reduced.

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        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

          Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

          "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
          Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

          "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
           
          "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

          https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

          https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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          #4

          @briankrebs I think the cost rise is more to do with the fact Anthropic and OpenAI had previously been massively subsidising the tokens, rather than a huge spike in demand.

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          • davep@infosec.exchangeD davep@infosec.exchange

            @briankrebs I think the cost rise is more to do with the fact Anthropic and OpenAI had previously been massively subsidising the tokens, rather than a huge spike in demand.

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            #5

            @davep Yes, the whole scheme definitely has a "first one's free" kind of vibe.

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            • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

              Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

              "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
              Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

              "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
               
              "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

              https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

              https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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              @briankrebs They are going broke on highly subsidized tokens. Yet another blindingly obvious example of how there is no path to profitability for this product.

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              • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                 
                "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                @briankrebs #Schadenfreude intensifies.

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                • lightfighter@infosec.exchangeL lightfighter@infosec.exchange

                  @briankrebs They are going broke on highly subsidized tokens. Yet another blindingly obvious example of how there is no path to profitability for this product.

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                  @Lightfighter Right. Seems like AI kind of sidesteps (or maybe just massively speeds up) most of the normal stages of tech enshittification. When the product itself is shit to begin with, our mental models for how to deal w/ this disconnect are mismatched, imo.

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                  • elmuerte@idlethumbs.socialE elmuerte@idlethumbs.social

                    @briankrebs with all that spend money... where is the improved quality of life?
                    Since the start of the whole LLM AI hype I've only seen the quality of life being reduced.

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                    @elmuerte @briankrebs The key question being *whose quality of life?*

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                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                      Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                      "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                      Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                      "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                       
                      "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                      https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                      https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                      @briankrebs

                      You cannot accurately estimate token spend on a given query. You Cannot Accurately Estimate Token Spend On A Given Query. YOU CANNOT ACCURATELY ESTIMATE TOKEN SPEND ON A GIVEN QUERY.

                      So you cannot know how much you will spend on AI over an hour. Or a day. Or a quarter.

                      Maybe humans are actually cheaper.

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                      • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                        @Lightfighter Right. Seems like AI kind of sidesteps (or maybe just massively speeds up) most of the normal stages of tech enshittification. When the product itself is shit to begin with, our mental models for how to deal w/ this disconnect are mismatched, imo.

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                        #11

                        @briankrebs Both the financial and political worlds have shifted radically of late. I think most are sticking with defensive avoidance rather than fully internalizing the changes. Hoping to slide by this "anomaly" and go back to "normal". The mental trauma of accepting that "normal" is dead is more than they want to consider.

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                        • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                          Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                          "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                          Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                          "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                           
                          "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                          https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                          https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                          @briankrebs How long until there is a secondary market for "AI token" prices, short-selling them, etc. Even its own cryptocoin, maybe it will be called BitBucketCoin or something.

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                          • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                            Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                            "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                            Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                            "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                             
                            "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                            https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                            https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                            @briankrebs (singing) "He gives the kids free samples / because he knows full well / that today's young innocent faces / will be tomorrow's clientele"

                            - Tom Lehrer, The Old Dope Peddler

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                            • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                              Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                              "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                              Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                              "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                               
                              "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                              https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                              https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                              Huh, didn't see that coming 🫠

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                              • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                                "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                                Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                                "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                                 
                                "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                                https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                                https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                                @briankrebs I assume that class solidarity is involved; but it's fascinating how smoothly the WSJ can write a completely nonjudgmental and blame-free article about executives spending hundreds of millions of dollars on the basis of hype and laughably laughably lazy metric design and having that almost immediately not pay off.

                                If this were an unsexy public sector procurement thing of similar quality I'm guessing they'd have some choice words that are mysteriously not applicable here.

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                                • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                  Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                                  "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                                  Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                                  "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                                   
                                  "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                                  https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                                  https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                                  @briankrebs

                                  We just got done implementing AI acceptable use policies because our PE Owners said we have to use AI.

                                  Its been a month. We have maybe 40 users in Claude, Copilot, or Gemini and its already cost us $40,000 roughly.

                                  Most of our internal debate is who gets the bill, because IT is not using AI (except, admittedly to make inside joke teams backgrounds)

                                  For reference: company with about 300 office employees and about 3000 employees total with retail, production, and warehouse staff

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                                  • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                    Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                                    "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                                    Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                                    "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                                     
                                    "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                                    https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                                    https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                                    Publicly traded companies tend to have a problem telling Wall Street that their employees have a deeper understanding of the business than these outsider gambling addicts trading them.

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                                    • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                      Big companies have an expensive new addiction to AI, and their smack is getting more expensive. Who could have seen this coming? From the WSJ:

                                      "Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is exploding—and the soaring cost has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI’s triumphal march across the economy.
                                      Executives across industries this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools into their work, spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won’t be left behind in a coming wave of disruption."

                                      "All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so-called tokens, the basic unit of measurement for AI computing, as AI model providers seek to balance supply and demand and manage their own costs. Some enterprises have hit their annual budget in just three months or reported seeing their AI spending bills double or triple."
                                       
                                      "Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI use in their organizations, steer workers toward cheaper, homegrown tools and help them hone their skills to improve returns." 

                                      https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/corporate-america-is-starting-to-ration-ai-as-cost-skyrockets-1eb99d7a (paywall)

                                      https://archive.ph/v2dwg

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                                      @briankrebs lol

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                                      • tantramar@zeroes.caT tantramar@zeroes.ca

                                        @elmuerte @briankrebs The key question being *whose quality of life?*

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                                        @tantramar @briankrebs I doubt the quality of life of extremely rich people improved with the increased wealth combined with the increased scrutiny.

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                                        • elmuerte@idlethumbs.socialE elmuerte@idlethumbs.social

                                          @tantramar @briankrebs I doubt the quality of life of extremely rich people improved with the increased wealth combined with the increased scrutiny.

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                                          @elmuerte @briankrebs Enough wealth can sheild one from a lot of scrutiny.

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