So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
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@mavu @cap_ybarra @JeremiahFieldhaven basically, we already stopped upgrading to newer versions where ensloppification happens, but it’s now being backported under the guise of security fixes, ill though-out ones (or not-at-all in the case of slop). This is a problem.
rsyncis so critical, I wonder if there are people versed enough in it who could hard-fork the last workable pre-slop version and maintain it from there. No need for big fancy new features, just keep it working and safe and secure. (openrsyncseems to be both incomplete and unportable at this point.)@mirabilos @mavu @cap_ybarra @JeremiahFieldhaven "versed enough" and "getting versed enough" are both options, IMHO.
It's likely fine to take some time with the next round of updates.
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@JeremiahFieldhaven fork everything, it's all slop now and needs new caretakers
@JeremiahFieldhaven @cap_ybarra Fork everything and host the forks as far away from GitHub as possible. D:< -
@chris @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven i dont think you know what those words mean
and if your solveing depression with AI well thats depressing and sounds like how people talk about alcohol
@glassresistor @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven I must not know what any of that means, or I wouldn't have said it. You remind me of my brother, who compared my computer use with his gambling addiction. I'm sure those things are the same thing.
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@glassresistor @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven I must not know what any of that means, or I wouldn't have said it. You remind me of my brother, who compared my computer use with his gambling addiction. I'm sure those things are the same thing.
@glassresistor @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven Is it not cognitive surrender if I want to turn my brain off on a regular basis? This thread is making me want to do that right now. I can do the next best thing and go play video games instead.
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@glassresistor @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven Is it not cognitive surrender if I want to turn my brain off on a regular basis? This thread is making me want to do that right now. I can do the next best thing and go play video games instead.
@chris @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven could you define cognitive surrender?
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
@JeremiahFieldhaven Even rsync... Software is over
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@kauer @ChuckMcManis @JeremiahFieldhaven Might have been /s, given «odd humour» in the profile
Also git, indirectly. For those who do not know, look it up.
Tridge is a legend, and our legends are falling to a cognitive virus.
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@kauer @ChuckMcManis @JeremiahFieldhaven Might have been /s, given «odd humour» in the profile
Also git, indirectly. For those who do not know, look it up.
Tridge is a legend, and our legends are falling to a cognitive virus.
ding, ding, ding. Give this person a donut.
Commit privileges aren't based on bloodline, or history, Etc. When Grandpa tells you the gophers in the back yard are advising him on what to invest his life savings in, you have a gentle conversation with him and move him into a place where he cannot harm himself or others.
We need to hold people updating the code to a standard. You can't get 'fired' in open source, and that's a weakness as folks age out.
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@distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven Though I'm not sure how much the 10-ish % "efficiency gain" is when I can ask an agent to solve a problem for me in 5-15 minutes, or I can spend literally hours poring over a code base to understand what I need to do to fix it myself.
@chris Your understanding of the code base was lacking, so you spent 5-15 minutes making it worse. Is that really the way to go?
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
"This gives more predictable behaviour in case of bugs
where uninitialised or stale memory is accidentally accessed."Gives off I don't want valgrind to tell me I am a bad coder energy.
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
@JeremiahFieldhaven Oh noes
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
every week I go "please, not this", "please not that too"
today it's
please, not rsync
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
@JeremiahFieldhaven
What could possibly go wrong? -
So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
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@glassresistor @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven I must not know what any of that means, or I wouldn't have said it. You remind me of my brother, who compared my computer use with his gambling addiction. I'm sure those things are the same thing.
@chris @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven curious how close to addiction itll feel like at 10x the cost
and my dude outside of $ loss if your gaming like an addict its an addiction
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@mirabilos @mavu @cap_ybarra @JeremiahFieldhaven There is also github.com/gokrazy/rsync which i haven't tested yet.
@billchenchina
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware#file-transferring lists the following rsync alternative as LLM free: https://github.com/kristapsdz/openrsync
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@chris @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven Here's my question... is it really, solving the problem for you? Like, actually? Given all of the costs in the full context of how it operates?
I don't believe that it is.
Can you trust everything it outputs? Are you able to catch any problems with it 100% of the time? Are you somehow able to avoid it anchoring your thinking around a particular method?
Let's assume it does solve the problem, and that somehow a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time.
Even if it does, you are slowly eroding your ability to solve problems of that nature independent of the agent.
No matter how careful you are, no matter how smart, how skilled, how well-versed.
You cannot beat cognitive surrender.
@distractal @chris @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven
I am sharing a critical view regarding 'cognitive surrender', yet a reality check on expectations:"... a purely ethical AI is produced that magically solves the labor, environment, plagiarism issues, and that is correct 100% of the time."
=> does code written by humans fulfill all these criteria, I mean even approximately?
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
@JeremiahFieldhaven That really sucks. I pretty much just install whatever updates #Debian sends me, might have to start watching that much more closely. #rsync
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So my systems recently updated to rsync 3.4.3, and as soon as that happened my backup system - which does incremental backups using multiple --compare-dest= arguments - started to fail on anything but a full backup.
Revert to 3.4.1 and it works.
So I go look at the source in GitHub to see what might have changed, because there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the changelog.
Since 3.4.1, 36 commits by "tridge and claude"
Oh for fuck's sakes.
@JeremiahFieldhaven ...and fork and fork and fork and fork... At work I just don't build recent versions anymore. Which is fine because we just use it for LAN installs anyway. But yes, all this stuff needs forking, sadly. Once the current maintainers of important projects leave reality for good, that seems like the only way forward.
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@chris @distractal @sinbad @JeremiahFieldhaven curious how close to addiction itll feel like at 10x the cost
and my dude outside of $ loss if your gaming like an addict its an addiction
I'd chime in here and say that good people suffer from substance abuse. Living in Las Vegas and watching the penny pinchers succumb to a big payout from a slot machine was both fascinating and very sad. AI gives a programmer the illusion that they are now the power code maker they always envisioned themselves to be. That isn't much different than cocaine. We're losing good people to this.
