For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.
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@JessTheUnstill @briellebouquet@queer.party Yes, that does invoke a much better connotations. “No ethics” has a very different flavor in our cultural context than “No politics.”
@inthehands @JessTheUnstill @briellebouquet@queer.party I wonder if that word is unrescuable too though... [mumbling something about games journalism...]
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@Itty53@mstdn.social @inthehands yeah the angry goose is an excellent one, its something I've often seen used well to call out unspoken goals in political action.
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Search is a wasteland right now. Alas. And there are no good choices.
But look, if I’m going to •pay• a company money for search, it needs to be a company run by ethically mature people. If and when Kagi is run by such people, maybe I’ll give that paid plan another go. For now, well, maybe these childish people will blunder their way to maturity and maybe they’ll just blunder, but either way, they won’t be doing it on my dime.
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@inthehands Not Duck?
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@inthehands I discovered kagi not too long ago, and was really happy.
Now I'm not, and wonder what I'm going to use for search now...
@jollyorc @inthehands Copilot????
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@phiofx@hachyderm.io @inthehands Mozilla is moving away from their browser focus, their head has said.
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Think you are right. No idea about this particular case, but imagine the founder(s) to be a technical sort, maybe kind of unsophisticated, perhaps young. Coded up a cool thing and got it going. Now, things change. They start to be approached by some real sharks who puff them up and tell them how big it could get. They are completely unprepared to play in this league, and boom it's done.
@mastodonmigration @inthehands He's not young. Based on his bio, he's in the 45-50 age range.
"I started my journey in tech in 1983 with C-64 and Elite"
Vladimir Prelovac
Vladimir Prelovac - Founder/CEO Kagi Inc. Builder of user-centric products and a dad of three.
(vladimir.prelovac.com)
He's run several different businesses over the past couple of decades.
He is not young and unsophisticated.
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@finestructure I’d renewed on Dec 28. Sigh.
@inthehands Meh, that sucks
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@CptSuperlative Back to DuckDuckGo for now, very very very open to suggestions.
DDG has been pretty good for me in the last few months. Much better than when I tried it a few years ago.
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For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi. Its search results are…fine, no worse than others, and it’s ad-free, stated privacy as a primary goal, and seemed to have a better ethical sense than its competitors.
Or so I hoped.
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@inthehands Yeah, the search results seem to net just about as bad as Google’s except for one test. https://danluu.com/seo-spam/
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@inthehands Yeah, the search results seem to net just about as bad as Google’s except for one test. https://danluu.com/seo-spam/
@jotaemei
A fascinating post, thanks -
@jotaemei
A fascinating post, thanks@inthehands It’s very long though, IMO. I gave up a fraction through it yesterday. I was just basing what I said on the matrix.
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@inthehands Yeah, the search results seem to net just about as bad as Google’s except for one test. https://danluu.com/seo-spam/
I thought it was pretty OK at boosting a handful of sites it appears to have special support for -- Wikipedia, Reddit, and StackOverflow, for instance -- but admittedly, if I was building a tool to replace Google, I would see it as unethical to boost those specific sites.
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What I found was _not_ a thoughtful, careful response. What I found was the founder of Kagi saying:
“Politics finding its way into tech is one of the reason we do not have innovation any more.”
Reconsider your partnership with Brave - Kagi Feedback
Brave, as you know, is led by Brendan Eich. s homophobia is so disgusting that he was forced to resign as the leader...
(kagifeedback.org)
Well shit. That is the reddest of red flags.
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@inthehands but they love open source, well-known to be a completely apolitical concept.
Lolbertarians are just fucking stupid. Like mind-numbingly, relentlessly fucking stupid.
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@CptSuperlative @inthehands vivaldi is great. Replaced chrome for me and the built in email client suits my work mail as an added bonus.
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@CptSuperlative Ah, I just use the super-sophisticated technique of closing tabs all the time and then searching my history in desperation.
@inthehands @CptSuperlative closing tabs
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@lunareclipse @inthehands You are right about privately held companies. In both cases, it comes down to what the owners/shareholders want, and that is usually profit.
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@qqmrichter @inthehands I did not intend to say maximizing profit was a good thing. I believe it is not. I only wanted to highlight what can be realistically be expected, and that is that the profit motive dominates corporate behavior (especially for, but not limited to, public companies). That is what shareholders want.
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@briellebouquet@queer.party @JessTheUnstill Yes. Fascists actively fuck semantics. That’s their game.
What I want is a framing that says human rights are •not• open for debate, but they •are• open for advocacy. No, not just “open for” — advocacy is a requirement, not an option. It’s normal. It’s just what we do.
That’s the needle I want to thread. Thinking not of fascists, but of the muddly middle: not paying attention, hesitant to engage, imagining they’re on the sidelines.
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@briellebouquet@queer.party @JessTheUnstill Yes. Fascists actively fuck semantics. That’s their game.
What I want is a framing that says human rights are •not• open for debate, but they •are• open for advocacy. No, not just “open for” — advocacy is a requirement, not an option. It’s normal. It’s just what we do.
That’s the needle I want to thread. Thinking not of fascists, but of the muddly middle: not paying attention, hesitant to engage, imagining they’re on the sidelines.
@briellebouquet@queer.party @JessTheUnstill There’s a particular sort of person, whom I’ll unfairly call the “upper midwestern archetype” in a jab at my home state, who could really go either way: fascist or anti-fascist. They’re malleable. They’re deeply conflict-averse. They just want something that’s easy to agree with.
I want active defense of human rights to be that super-normal thing that’s easy to agree with.
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@inthehands @qqmrichter 1/ Good article, but it focuses on what the academic says OUGHT to be true (a “return to managerialism”) with greatly constrained shareholder rights. I’m no economist, but that doesn’t sound good for small investors, especially since pensions have disappeared. The article explicitly supports my claim that shareholder value is today the dominant force…
@inthehands @qqmrichter 2/ My grandfather was CEO of a Fortune 1000 company from the mid-50’s to early 60’s. The BoD wanted to move manufacturing from Jersey City, NJ to Mexico. My grandfather resisted, saying it would cause major job loses in Jersey City. He argued that the company had a moral duty to support the community. The BoD said it hurt profits (which was true). When he defied the BoD, the company fired him. They moved the plants. The jobs were lost.
