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  • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

    Sigh.

    New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

    Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

    New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

    Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

    New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

    Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

    starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #77

    @VeeRat Summarisation requires judging what the most important parts of the text are and discarding the rest. LLMs are word predictors and are fundamentally incapable of that kind of judgement which means that they are fundamentally incapable of reliable summarisation. If what you've written *can* be accurately summarised by an LLM, that suggests it's extremely simple and you've added a bunch of useless fluff. Get rid of the fluff and don't bother with a summary.

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    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

      Sigh.

      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

      alexcorby@indieauthors.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #78

      @VeeRat Dealing with this right now in the school I teach at. We had a training about how to use/implement rubrics and were given the task to create a rubric for a random assignment in 20 minutes.

      Everyone turned to the school's AI platform. I just banged out a five criteria rubric with four points in about 15 minutes. I know what's in it, because I created it. Everyone else was still adjusting their prompts after 20 minutes.

      I'm really starting to feel like the last person standing in a zombie movie. When our AI platform was rolled out (last year) I was assured it was only a tool and I could choose to use it or not. I have not touched it.

      Now, I'm subtly being told that the school spent a lot of money on the platform and we should be using it at least once a day. I still haven't touched it.

      I mean, dude, your bad investment is not my problem!

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      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

        Sigh.

        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

        twipped@twipped.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #79

        @VeeRat @FinalGirl

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        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

          Sigh.

          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

          cojajo@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #80

          @VeeRat
          Your boss want‘s you to use this tool, to know all about your work and you. Spy-Tool

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          • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

            @VeeRat

            Also, Copilot literally makes shit up when it takes notes. There are a dozen malpractice lawsuits in the system right now bc doctors used Copilot and its errors seriously endangered the lives of their patients.

            I know you can't, but you should just tell him "I prefer my notes to be accurate".

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            wrote last edited by
            #81

            @johnzajac @VeeRat Copilot (like every AI assistant) is highly motivated, workaholic, 24/7 available ... intern. A very junior intern.
            So, if someones trusts this intern to create MoM without thoroughly counter-checking it ... 🙂‍↔️

            NB: Even the Microsoft consultants I bumped into so far admitted this fact openly.

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            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

              Sigh.

              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

              ysegrim@furry.engineerY This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #82

              @VeeRat All of this. And: In a few coaching (therapy?) sessions a while back I learned taking notes as an important tool for myself to stop being reactive and/or feeling provoked by what I considered "attacks" during meetings. Because it allows me to move my focus away from the attacker and to a thing for the deciding few seconds. It gives me a socially accepted reason to break eye contact. And to force myself to listen again to what was actually being said.

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              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                Sigh.

                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                dalfen@mstdn.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #83

                @VeeRat Crazy you should actually think! Why not let Copilot think for you 🙄

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                • arazil@elvenstar.cafeA arazil@elvenstar.cafe

                  @VeeRat This fits the "performative processing" theory of management that seems to be going viral through corporate culture these days. In that model, the process of creating the product is prioritized over the output of the process. The end result is an expensive product that includes a lot of fancy buzzwords but doesn't perform as advertised.

                  koantig@mamot.frK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #84

                  @arazil That's exactly that! I called it "cosplaying your job" but ""performative processing" is a better term.
                  It's all smoke and mirrors but they *feel* they're being productive and dong their job.

                  @VeeRat

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                  • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

                    @johnzajac @VeeRat Also the number of show-cause hearings for lawyers (and law firms, and departments of justice) who used genAI to write motions with made-up case citations. A few have progressed to sanctions hearings, and at least one to the dissolution of the law firm in question.

                    Meanwhile I'm in the middle of cleaning up a complete fustercluck in code that pre-dates genAI, it's _all_ down to human stupidity. We don't need any help screwing things up.

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                    #85

                    @tknarr @johnzajac @VeeRat

                    Lazy attorneys at law inventing cases in their filings is nothing new, really.
                    AI just makes them even lazier by sparing them the imaginative effort.

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                    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                      Sigh.

                      New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                      Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                      New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                      Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                      New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                      Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                      diemkay@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #86

                      @VeeRat I was in that spot too decades ago, and “you’re good at writing notes” was not really a compliment from the source, it’s a dig masked as “you spend too much time writing notes”. Now the same people have AI.

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                      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                        Sigh.

                        New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                        Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                        New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                        Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                        New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                        Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                        a_cubed@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        wrote last edited by
                        #87

                        @VeeRat @masek
                        One thing I point out to my first year undergrad students is research that writing notes long hand stimulates better recall even if notes are never re-read, compared to typed notes.

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                        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                          Sigh.

                          New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                          Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                          New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                          Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                          New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                          Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                          inchulk@mastodon.greenI This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #88

                          @VeeRat Excellent summary of how managers use tools in a lazy way, not using their brain.
                          I do a lot of client meetings, and then send my summary to fellow managers, I take every opportunity to mention that corporate software is unsuitable for specific activities (drip-drip subtle messaging).

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                          • boerdejakobiner@machteburch.socialB boerdejakobiner@machteburch.social

                            @johnzajac @VeeRat Copilot (like every AI assistant) is highly motivated, workaholic, 24/7 available ... intern. A very junior intern.
                            So, if someones trusts this intern to create MoM without thoroughly counter-checking it ... 🙂‍↔️

                            NB: Even the Microsoft consultants I bumped into so far admitted this fact openly.

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                            #89

                            @Boerdejakobiner @johnzajac @VeeRat

                            I never saw people lose reasoning ability after working with an intern.

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                            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                              Sigh.

                              New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                              Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                              New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                              Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                              New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                              Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                              ypsilenna@mastodon.greenY This user is from outside of this forum
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                              ypsilenna@mastodon.green
                              wrote last edited by
                              #90

                              @VeeRat Ugh. I've always had trouble remembering things. I write and draw to imprint information into my brain. Using AI for writing notes sounds like a good way of making sure that I will never remember anything again.
                              I'm with you in this one.

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                              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                Sigh.

                                New boss: “You’re good at writing notes.”

                                Me: “Thank you, it helps me to remember so I have been writing summaries for many years.”

                                New boss: “You should try CoPilot and see what it can do.”

                                Me: “Well I enjoy summarizing my notes, and it helps me to learn and remember.”

                                New boss: “Let me show you something I did in CoPilot.”

                                Ugh. Writing it myself helps me LEARN and REMEMBER. Why are these AI zombies so intent on changing a process that is helpful to me? Feeding notes through CoPilot won’t benefit me when it’s the act of writing that works for me.

                                leendaal@rollenspiel.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote last edited by
                                #91

                                @VeeRat because it is helpful to you, not them. They want to deprive you of a useful tool to exert control.

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