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Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code.

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE This user is from outside of this forum
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    Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

    abstractslug@mastodon.socialA agatha@gts.snkrgirl.cfdA luxliquida@critter.cafeL srazkvt@tech.lgbtS erisceleste@tech.lgbtE 12 Replies Last reply
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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

      abstractslug@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @eniko

      I can't and also I refuse

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      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

        Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

        agatha@gts.snkrgirl.cfdA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @eniko while knuth has recently written praising ai gen bs, these people need to be reminded that one of the quintessential series of books about programming is called "the art of computer programming"

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        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

          Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

          luxliquida@critter.cafeL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @eniko One of the saddest unfollows in recent memory. I used to enjoy and respect his work 😔

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          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

            Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

            srazkvt@tech.lgbtS This user is from outside of this forum
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            @eniko also all the people who go "it's not art if it's just a means to an end" looks like they never made anything useful while putting their heart in it

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            • luxliquida@critter.cafeL luxliquida@critter.cafe

              @eniko One of the saddest unfollows in recent memory. I used to enjoy and respect his work 😔

              c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @luxliquida @eniko many such examples

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

                erisceleste@tech.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
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                @eniko but just think of all the extra time you could have for clicking the LGTM button, progressing tickets through Jira manually, assuming personal liability, and all the other ✨fun✨ parts of the job!

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

                  gee8sh@techhub.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @eniko

                  Most, if not all, the coders I met in my career are like that, and it drives me nuts. To them the appeal is only in how lucrative it could be.

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                  • pawv@tech.lgbtP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @eniko The only "completely wrong" takes like this I will let pass are those that are obvious reframings a person needed because they have some mental block that can't accept themselves as an artist.

                    Like Adam Savage posted a video recently discrediting his own artistry by choosing a more mechanical way of describing artistry. 🤔

                    I don't like it, but whether he's aware of it or not, he just chose a different way of wording it. His take "could" benefit people with so much self doubt that it's inconceivable that they are artists. But also I wish folks could let go of their shitty preconceptions and be free. *cough* I wonder why I'm so adamant about that... 🏳️‍⚧️

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                    • gee8sh@techhub.socialG gee8sh@techhub.social

                      @eniko

                      Most, if not all, the coders I met in my career are like that, and it drives me nuts. To them the appeal is only in how lucrative it could be.

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                      @gee8sh that's sad

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                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

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                        @eniko noooooo! 😰 What a nightmare!

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                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

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                          i don't know what AI brainrot has made otherwise prolific and proficient coders think that there's suddenly no distinguishing factors between good code, code written with artistry, and bad code, but it's baffling when this is a thing that we can measure and have measured in the past and they fucking know it

                          0x00string@infosec.exchange0 doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE lumi@snug.moeL tarix29@tech.lgbtT 5 Replies Last reply
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                          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

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                            @eniko I guess it's good that this is the second subtweet I've seen, but I don't see the original (or maybe it's just a coincidence and you both decided to criticize the same thing at the same time).

                            I feel like most coders around me are like that (code for a living, code for money, etc). I try hard to empathize with them, and I advocated for the idea that "it's fine to be a programmer while not enjoying it." But now, many people want to deprive me of my enjoyment of artistry, too.

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                            • lesley@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lesley@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @eniko I guess it's good that this is the second subtweet I've seen, but I don't see the original (or maybe it's just a coincidence and you both decided to criticize the same thing at the same time).

                              I feel like most coders around me are like that (code for a living, code for money, etc). I try hard to empathize with them, and I advocated for the idea that "it's fine to be a programmer while not enjoying it." But now, many people want to deprive me of my enjoyment of artistry, too.

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                              @eniko, I wonder if a good thing (among many bad things) the dwindling interest in this field brought is that, after a few years, many of those people will leave.

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                              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

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                                @eniko all code is art, even Microsoft Word
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                                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  Imagine being a coder but thinking there's no artistry to writing code. What an empty existence

                                  ryanjyoder@techhub.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @eniko
                                  Iono. Doesn't it logically follow that if you're not an artist you live an empty existence?

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                                  • ryanjyoder@techhub.socialR ryanjyoder@techhub.social

                                    @eniko
                                    Iono. Doesn't it logically follow that if you're not an artist you live an empty existence?

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                                    @ryanjyoder no it absolutely does not

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                                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      i don't know what AI brainrot has made otherwise prolific and proficient coders think that there's suddenly no distinguishing factors between good code, code written with artistry, and bad code, but it's baffling when this is a thing that we can measure and have measured in the past and they fucking know it

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                                      @eniko they dont want to know code is art

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                                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        i don't know what AI brainrot has made otherwise prolific and proficient coders think that there's suddenly no distinguishing factors between good code, code written with artistry, and bad code, but it's baffling when this is a thing that we can measure and have measured in the past and they fucking know it

                                        doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @eniko
                                        this is at least the third subtoot I see about this and I'm starting to wonder what/who this is about

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                                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          i don't know what AI brainrot has made otherwise prolific and proficient coders think that there's suddenly no distinguishing factors between good code, code written with artistry, and bad code, but it's baffling when this is a thing that we can measure and have measured in the past and they fucking know it

                                          eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          and for the record i'm not talking about making code to create art like a game or something. i'm saying *the code itself* can be art. a perfectly constructed api, a framework that fits together just so, when code comes together in a beautiful harmony, *that is art*, it requires artistry to create!

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