I have to admit, while it's still not perfect, this is one of the best architectural saves I've ever seen.
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@HarriettMB
the thing to understand is that theres a kind of architect who thinks the job of an architect is to impose the architects will on everyone else. the more you hate the building the more they've succeeded. its perverse power brokering or something.
@astronomerritt@dlakelan @HarriettMB You know what, that does explain it. That building very much feels like an architect imposing their very specific vision on everyone else whether they like it or not. Absolutely no regard for the surroundings or the people actually using the building. A big "LOOK AT ME" in concrete and glass.
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I still have no idea how the first version of the extension got approved. Like, the building isn't, I suppose, all that bad. It's interesting. But why the fuck would you build it as an extension to that big beautiful cake of an Opera House? I assume the contrast was deliberate, but in my admittedly non-expert opinion, it's a BAD contrast. I don't even hate modern architecture! I just hated that extension SPECIFICALLY.
And I like Belfast City Hospital, which is usually regarded by the general public as absolutely fuck-ugly. Glorious big yellow brutalist plug. Absolute landmark of South Belfast and the third-highest building in the country. You can navigate by it.
@astronomerritt is that a building or a giant CPU cooler?
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@astronomerritt is that a building or a giant CPU cooler?
@dave Ha! It does look exactly like something you'd plug into a motherboard, doesn't it? People mostly hate it, but those who don't hate it LOVE it.
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@DrChris Had no idea there was even a brewery down there! Looks really interesting. Might want to go myself, so feel free to lmk if you're heading that way.
@astronomerritt That would be fab! Will do -- I've tried Pencil Pusher and it's good but slacker and NSFW are calling my name! https://outofofficebrewing.co.uk
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@astronomerritt That would be fab! Will do -- I've tried Pencil Pusher and it's good but slacker and NSFW are calling my name! https://outofofficebrewing.co.uk
@DrChris That cherry and rose petal sour honestly sounds absolutely up my alley. I am not ashamed of drinking a girly beer.
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@dave Ha! It does look exactly like something you'd plug into a motherboard, doesn't it? People mostly hate it, but those who don't hate it LOVE it.
@astronomerritt I think I'm on team "I love it". It's so weird and so cool.
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@dlakelan @HarriettMB You know what, that does explain it. That building very much feels like an architect imposing their very specific vision on everyone else whether they like it or not. Absolutely no regard for the surroundings or the people actually using the building. A big "LOOK AT ME" in concrete and glass.
@astronomerritt
I dont think she caused it on her own, but Ayn Rand's Fountainhead sure as shit didn't help the architecture field any.
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@astronomerritt I think I'm on team "I love it". It's so weird and so cool.
@dave I am SO glad you agree. It looks like it came down from space and it's awesome.
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@DrChris That cherry and rose petal sour honestly sounds absolutely up my alley. I am not ashamed of drinking a girly beer.
@astronomerritt I do like a cherry sour, but some sours are just taking it too far.
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@astronomerritt
I dont think she caused it on her own, but Ayn Rand's Fountainhead sure as shit didn't help the architecture field any.
@HarriettMB@dlakelan Total agreement with that. The Fountainhead portrayed the architect as a god imposing his will on creation, a Lone Genius whose Vision should be permitted to trump all other considerations.
Because designing buildings that a local community would enjoy and find useful is apparently "pandering".
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@astronomerritt I do like a cherry sour, but some sours are just taking it too far.
@DrChris I've never met a sour I wouldn't drink, but then, I don't like IPAs and apparently that means my beer opinions are invalid. Or I'm just jumping on the IPA-hate bandwagon? I dunno, I just think most of them are too bitter to be enjoyable for me.
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@dlakelan Total agreement with that. The Fountainhead portrayed the architect as a god imposing his will on creation, a Lone Genius whose Vision should be permitted to trump all other considerations.
Because designing buildings that a local community would enjoy and find useful is apparently "pandering".
@astronomerritt
Total horseshit, but she was a tremendous propagandist. Looked at now it seems kinda obvious she was traumatized as a child by the Marxist-Leninist authoritarian takeover, she had the high threat awareness of a PTSD patient, and a desire for a hierarchical/patriarchal daddy figure who would keep her safe and indulge the rape fantasies she essentially admitted to in her books...so yeah, "Impose your will on me baby" was kind of her fetish.
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I still have no idea how the first version of the extension got approved. Like, the building isn't, I suppose, all that bad. It's interesting. But why the fuck would you build it as an extension to that big beautiful cake of an Opera House? I assume the contrast was deliberate, but in my admittedly non-expert opinion, it's a BAD contrast. I don't even hate modern architecture! I just hated that extension SPECIFICALLY.
And I like Belfast City Hospital, which is usually regarded by the general public as absolutely fuck-ugly. Glorious big yellow brutalist plug. Absolute landmark of South Belfast and the third-highest building in the country. You can navigate by it.
@astronomerritt omigod, they modelled Belfast City Hospital on the DEC PDP-8 Desktop
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@astronomerritt
Total horseshit, but she was a tremendous propagandist. Looked at now it seems kinda obvious she was traumatized as a child by the Marxist-Leninist authoritarian takeover, she had the high threat awareness of a PTSD patient, and a desire for a hierarchical/patriarchal daddy figure who would keep her safe and indulge the rape fantasies she essentially admitted to in her books...so yeah, "Impose your will on me baby" was kind of her fetish.
@dlakelan Yeah, she's an interesting psychological case study, in that you can see where she was coming from, but unfortunately she was terrifyingly effective at spreading her awful, stupid, fundamentally broken ideology to others.
This post was originally a lot longer because I just started ranting about how much I loathe Objectivism and frankly, none of it was new or valuable.
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@astronomerritt omigod, they modelled Belfast City Hospital on the DEC PDP-8 Desktop
@WiteWulf hell yeah, I'm okay with that idea, that is one very cool-looking machine!
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@dlakelan Yeah, she's an interesting psychological case study, in that you can see where she was coming from, but unfortunately she was terrifyingly effective at spreading her awful, stupid, fundamentally broken ideology to others.
This post was originally a lot longer because I just started ranting about how much I loathe Objectivism and frankly, none of it was new or valuable.
@astronomerritt
good on you for coming down off that ledge. yeah we can all wish she had gotten proper therapy and done something better with her life. especially those of us who were taken in by it at any level at all. She did a lot of damage. -
@astronomerritt
good on you for coming down off that ledge. yeah we can all wish she had gotten proper therapy and done something better with her life. especially those of us who were taken in by it at any level at all. She did a lot of damage.@dlakelan I think it's pretty understandable to be into Rand as a young person, as long as folk grow out of it. It's one of those regrettable phases, like thinking double-vodka Red Bulls are an acceptable thing to drink, or pretending you can skateboard when you definitely can't.
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@dlakelan I think it's pretty understandable to be into Rand as a young person, as long as folk grow out of it. It's one of those regrettable phases, like thinking double-vodka Red Bulls are an acceptable thing to drink, or pretending you can skateboard when you definitely can't.
@astronomerritt
I think its more than that. she twisted anarchist ideas into their right wing modern evil twin. Like, Atlas shrugged is fundamentally about a general strike. its fundamentally an anticapitalist idea. except she confuses it all by intentionally or unintentionally identifying capitalists with creative industry. And nothing could be further from the truth.its not worth going deeply into maybe, but the damage she did to the left by shunting people into right wing mirror worlds...
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@astronomerritt
I think its more than that. she twisted anarchist ideas into their right wing modern evil twin. Like, Atlas shrugged is fundamentally about a general strike. its fundamentally an anticapitalist idea. except she confuses it all by intentionally or unintentionally identifying capitalists with creative industry. And nothing could be further from the truth.its not worth going deeply into maybe, but the damage she did to the left by shunting people into right wing mirror worlds...
Wow. I have never heard anyone articulate MY concerns about Rand the way you have. Yes, all that. Interesting fiction but oddly dangerous, and not in a good way..
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