For the past year or so, I’ve been using and enjoying the search engine Kagi.
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@SkipHuffman @realn2s @JessTheUnstill Nothing endures but change and typos.
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@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative
The question that I was asking myself was what is different about the internet today from the internet in the late 90s or early 2000s during the heyday of web rings, and I also asked myself what kind of technologies do we have to update those things in a way that compliments and mitigates the ways that the internet is different today. I'm not a big expert at this kind of design thinking but I wanted to try -
@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative
The question that I was asking myself was what is different about the internet today from the internet in the late 90s or early 2000s during the heyday of web rings, and I also asked myself what kind of technologies do we have to update those things in a way that compliments and mitigates the ways that the internet is different today. I'm not a big expert at this kind of design thinking but I wanted to try@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative is difference between the internet then and now is that the Internet is just a lot bigger and much more diverse so we need tools that will both be able to express the exponentially higher amount of relationship between different nodes and also be easier to use and be more automated. Thinking about how we can harness algorithms and automation and scalable systems for the benefit of humans rather than business is important
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@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative is difference between the internet then and now is that the Internet is just a lot bigger and much more diverse so we need tools that will both be able to express the exponentially higher amount of relationship between different nodes and also be easier to use and be more automated. Thinking about how we can harness algorithms and automation and scalable systems for the benefit of humans rather than business is important
@alter_kaker @SkipHuffman @CptSuperlative Agreed, it’s a really interesting family of questions.
I think — and this is speaking with my software engineer hat on! — that the biggest and deepest questions here are about the human relationships: Who knows who? Who decides what? Who shares what? •Some• parts of that can’t / shouldn’t be automated. With clarity around that, tech can help reduce friction! But the fundamental system scaling problems here are social.
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What I found was _not_ a thoughtful, careful response. What I found was the founder of Kagi saying:
“Politics finding its way into tech is one of the reason we do not have innovation any more.”
Reconsider your partnership with Brave - Kagi Feedback
Brave, as you know, is led by Brendan Eich. s homophobia is so disgusting that he was forced to resign as the leader...
(kagifeedback.org)
Well shit. That is the reddest of red flags.
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@inthehands Goddammit. This is DHH-level of "it's somebody else's problem".
️I can't keep using Hey with a clear conscience.
I just started using Orion and Kagi, after giving up on Safari and Google/DDG.
Everything is shit.
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@inthehands Not Duck?
@wndlb @inthehands DDG is just Bing now, right?
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@CptSuperlative Back to DuckDuckGo for now, very very very open to suggestions.
@inthehands @CptSuperlative DDG is Bing under the hood?
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@inthehands @CptSuperlative DDG is Bing under the hood?
@elight
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@alter_kaker @SkipHuffman @CptSuperlative Agreed, it’s a really interesting family of questions.
I think — and this is speaking with my software engineer hat on! — that the biggest and deepest questions here are about the human relationships: Who knows who? Who decides what? Who shares what? •Some• parts of that can’t / shouldn’t be automated. With clarity around that, tech can help reduce friction! But the fundamental system scaling problems here are social.
@inthehands @SkipHuffman @CptSuperlative I agree. So what are the social scaling problems, and how can technology help address them while leaving humans in the drivers seat?
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@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative so one issue is how is technology able to encourage/enable creativity. I'd say that the other side is how can it enable discovery, both social and informational
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@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative so one issue is how is technology able to encourage/enable creativity. I'd say that the other side is how can it enable discovery, both social and informational
@SkipHuffman @inthehands @CptSuperlative for example, what you said above abt writing .md post with many references. I'd like a system where I can not only read the post with the reference, but also the ones that are referenced: here's a reaction to this. This way I can discover both additional perspectives and association surf, and new people. There was something similar in WP years ago with pingbacks but it was ugly and inconvenient to use, interspersed among the comments and with no context.
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@donaldball
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@SkipHuffman @realn2s @JessTheUnstill Nothing endures but change and typos.
@inthehands @SkipHuffman @JessTheUnstill
and corrected 
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@inthehands I just got inspired to meme by this awful statement.
@morix @inthehands
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@mastodonmigration @inthehands He's not young. Based on his bio, he's in the 45-50 age range.
"I started my journey in tech in 1983 with C-64 and Elite"
Vladimir Prelovac
Vladimir Prelovac - Founder/CEO Kagi Inc. Builder of user-centric products and a dad of three.
(vladimir.prelovac.com)
He's run several different businesses over the past couple of decades.
He is not young and unsophisticated.
@unlambda @mastodonmigration @inthehands
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@SkipHuffman @inthehands @JessTheUnstill
Perfectly fine
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@toolbear @mastodonmigration @inthehands huh? Are you implying that he's Russian or in the KGB? He's Serbian. What does the KGB or Russian oligarchs have to do with this? You're going to need to cite some sources
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@CptSuperlative @noodlejetski @inthehands It is open source, but by using a chromium based browser, you contribute to the fact that it becomes irrelevant for web devs to support other browser engines well. Which is a problem, because a single corporation does control the development of it despite it being open source. A fork would be totally irrelevant on the browser market and extremely hard to maintain. Apart from that, firefox is just the better browser.
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@trigonella
Indeed.I’d say that being apolitical or apathetic in the face of oppression •is• being political.
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This thread perfectly captures the problem. Thanks.
