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Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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    @cstross Neural networks, by mathematical nature, are lossy information-compressing artefacts !

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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      Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

      opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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      @cstross No surprise that we see the textual equivalent of mad cow disease.

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

        pkraus@berlin.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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        @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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        • pkraus@berlin.socialP pkraus@berlin.social

          @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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          #34

          @pkraus @malice @JdeBP I've been reading The Reg since 1997 or thereabouts. Their house style has history behind it, not LLMs. (I suspect they'd cop to trolling from time to time, though.)

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

            (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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            Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

            opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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            @cstross ironically got a Google cloud genAI and ML ad right in the middle of that.

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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              Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

              opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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              jmj@hachyderm.io
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              #36

              @cstross hmmm, that might also explain why AI seems more effective for code.
              For the most part you want a reversion to the mean in code. Novel solutions are only needed at the cutting edge where you trying to make the computer do something that’s not been done before.

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              • J jmj@hachyderm.io

                @cstross hmmm, that might also explain why AI seems more effective for code.
                For the most part you want a reversion to the mean in code. Novel solutions are only needed at the cutting edge where you trying to make the computer do something that’s not been done before.

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                @Jmj Yes. Also I suspect the semantic expressiveness of programming languages is far narrower than that of human languages: they're more precise, but it's much harder (though not impossible!) to write poetry in them. So there's less risk of losing something unique by generating output that tends to occupy the middle of the bell curve.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @Jmj Yes. Also I suspect the semantic expressiveness of programming languages is far narrower than that of human languages: they're more precise, but it's much harder (though not impossible!) to write poetry in them. So there's less risk of losing something unique by generating output that tends to occupy the middle of the bell curve.

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                  @cstross @Jmj I mean I think one could make a coherent argument that programming *is* poetry: reduced syntax, enforced structure, heavy use of metaphor…

                  It’s just most programming topics make Vogon poetry look exciting.
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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                    Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

                    opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                    (www.theregister.com)

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                    @cstross "Model collapse", Shumailov, Shumaylov & Papernot (2024), Nature : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07566-y

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                    • perigrin@ack.nerdfight.onlineP perigrin@ack.nerdfight.online
                      @cstross @Jmj I mean I think one could make a coherent argument that programming *is* poetry: reduced syntax, enforced structure, heavy use of metaphor…

                      It’s just most programming topics make Vogon poetry look exciting.
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                      @perigrin @cstross but I think in the code case the subtle semantics of the words and combinations are less likely to be the important or desirable aspects, whereas in poetry it’s likely that those aspects are precisely the desired meaning.

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                      • sassinake@mastodon.socialS sassinake@mastodon.social

                        @cstross

                        nicely described by Orwell as

                        'NewSpeak'

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                        @Sassinake @cstross 👍 "duck speak"

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                          Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

                          opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                          (www.theregister.com)

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                          @cstross I am sitting in a room different from the one you are in now. I am recording the sound of my speaking voice and I am going to play it back into the room again and again until the resonant frequencies of the room reinforce themselves...

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                          • J jmj@hachyderm.io

                            @perigrin @cstross but I think in the code case the subtle semantics of the words and combinations are less likely to be the important or desirable aspects, whereas in poetry it’s likely that those aspects are precisely the desired meaning.

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                            @Jmj @cstross Perl’s TIMTOWDI has ruined me.
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