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Alright, here we are.

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  • freezr@friendica.myportal.socialF freezr@friendica.myportal.social

    @stefano

    As my old (Italian) boss used to tell me: «Attacca il ciuccio dove vuole il padrone…».

    I do believe that you are forced to use the supercazzola AI somewhere, confined in some areas that doesn't bother you but that helps to keep your marketing alive and competitive.

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    @freezr @stefano ROTFL !

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    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
      An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

      Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

      In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

      My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

      He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

      #IT #SysAdmin

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      @stefano hosting vibe-coded services is the best way to expose security vulnerabilities. People use AI in all the worst ways and think it's capable of deep thought.

      I'm studying the technology in university and I would never leave it in charge of any unsupervised critical task. At best, it can write a prototype that I'll rewrite later.

      It's a glorified summary generator that just happens to generate convincing texts.

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      • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

        Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
        An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

        Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

        In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

        My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

        He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

        #IT #SysAdmin

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        @stefano Vibe coding. Great. Exactly more of what the world needs.

        They don't know what they don't know and that is by several orders of magnitude more than what they do know.

        Ugh.

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        • peterkotrcka@mastodon.bsd.cafeP peterkotrcka@mastodon.bsd.cafe

          @stefano "experts in vibe coding"? Wow, is that really a thing? OK, I'll be honest, I let "AI" to create a short script today because:

          A. is not critical
          B. I was only interested in the result of it, not wanted to learn how to do it myself

          But anything related to any kind of work still created in cooperation of the hallucinating machine? Wow, that's brave.

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          @peterkotrcka @stefano they've been using the term prompt engineers. They think that their prompts is more likely to produce something good because they use common terminology and add make no mistake at the end. It's a cult.

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          • freezr@friendica.myportal.socialF freezr@friendica.myportal.social

            @peterkotrcka @stefano

            I guess the experts in vibe coding costs lesser than a senior developers...

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            @freezr @stefano @peterkotrcka it ends up costing more because you pay for the tokens and you still need a full-time senior developer to verify the output. Amazon is actually having this exact problem with their new AI policy.

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            • jae@mastodon.bsd.cafeJ jae@mastodon.bsd.cafe

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              @jae @stefano the last time I used an LLM for BSD stuff, it couldn't distinguish FreeBSD features from OpenBSD and vice versa. I tried to vibecode a quick RC script for OpenBSD and it made me a frankenscript with calls to /usr/sbin/daemon, which OpenBSD doesn't have.

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              • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
                An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

                Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

                In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

                My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

                He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

                #IT #SysAdmin

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                @stefano "They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough."

                That's rich

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                • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                  Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
                  An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

                  Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

                  In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

                  My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

                  He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

                  #IT #SysAdmin

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                  @stefano

                  I guess that we are in the middle of a battle between dreams and reality.

                  CEOs dreams about 1 intern doing the job of 10 seniors. AI CEOs dreams everything done with AI. NVIDIA CEO dreams to make cash for ever.

                  However there is this startups (Taalas) that stated it can print a model a full model into a chip and make AI totally inexpensive, and this can a be a total game changer.

                  Because the risk here is to deliver the whole job market in the hands of handful of IT corps with bad reputation and arguable integrity.

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                  • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                    Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
                    An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

                    Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

                    In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

                    My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

                    He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

                    #IT #SysAdmin

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                    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                      Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
                      An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

                      Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

                      In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

                      My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

                      He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

                      #IT #SysAdmin

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                      @stefano give me a few days more, I have the doc being build to run AI Python/torch shit in Jails 😬

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                      • doombananas@snabelen.noD doombananas@snabelen.no

                        @stefano sorry to be that guy, but my cash is on the IT manager taking the fall when the vibers causes a breach.

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                        your username is adequate warning surely

                        @DoomBananas @stefano

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                        • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                          Alright, here we are. The decline is accelerating.
                          An IT manager at a client company, someone capable I've been collaborating with for years, recently hired three new developers. However, he asked me for a Linux server instead of the usual FreeBSD because "that way the devs can move faster, AIs can't produce valid results for BSD systems".

                          Given our relationship, I called him and told him I disagreed. Somewhat bitterly, he replied that these guys had been "imposed on him". They're polite and willing, but completely lacking any real programming principles. They are "experts in vibe coding", and for management that's more than enough.

                          In other words, we're not supposed to build a working and efficient server anymore, but a vibe-coding-friendly one.

                          My instinctive reaction was to ask him whether, when a data breach eventually happens, because sooner or later it will if the people writing the code neither write nor read code, they'll be able to tell the authorities that the data controller was an AI.

                          He didn't say anything else and thanked me. Maybe, and I stress maybe, management will understand that.

                          #IT #SysAdmin

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