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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 31 - 4 May - Rimini - Bologna - Milano - Lugano - Basel - Strasbourg

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @hopla @Sobex @knud they’re not the sharpest police!

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    @jon this is an oxymoron

    @hopla @Sobex @knud

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    • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

      @notsoloud @jon local/regional media are so under-staffed that they often don’t have the time to do much else than copy press releases into articles; include a picture with the press release and they’re likely to post it as-is, too

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      @mkoek @notsoloud SWR ought to manage a bit better!

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      • hopla@zug.networkH hopla@zug.network

        @Sobex @jon @knud no but I'm a passenger.. I jokingly laid on the table my id card, my driver license, my certificates by the three train operators, my car driver license, my carte Vitale and my carte Badgeo on the first check..

        .. but now it's just a nuisance, no more fun moves, cops aren't friends

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        @hopla @jon @knud Ah so you were "driving" the train in the German meaning 😄

        (German speakers tend to say "drive" instead of "ride" for both bicycles and trains, it's not too much of a problem of the former, but a bit concerning for the latter ^^').

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 31 - 4 May - Rimini - Bologna - Milano - Lugano - Basel - Strasbourg

          Borders already crossed:
          Chiasso VG 🇨🇭 - Como S. Giovanni 🇮🇹
          Basel St Johann 🇨🇭 - St. Louis 🇫🇷
          Kehl 🇩🇪 - Krimmeri-Meinau 🇫🇷

          First to Bologna for a breakfast meeting, then north across the Gotthard pass for the second time in just over a month. Today’s destination: Strasbourg to test a Régiolis.

          Today's routes on the routes map:
          https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#7/46.369674/9.920654

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          @jon Random thought, could some writing on what makes good cross border rail crossings work well be an addition to the map/database/articles/etc? Examples to be inspired by. There are different ways to make it work and maybe that could be an angle to add.

          (Assuming this would have to happen as part of something that provides funding of course.)

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Also some panel in the interior of this ex-FYRA ETR700 is vibrating and rattling. Makes for a rather loud journey.

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            @jon panels coming off was one of the reasons for NS to return the Fyra to its maker I recall.

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              @mkoek @notsoloud SWR ought to manage a bit better!

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              @jon
              Send them one! Quote yourself. A great opportunity to draw attention to whichever part of the cause that's relevant here. This is the one chance of having a quote by you instead of some ass covering manager.
              @mkoek

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              • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                @jon Random thought, could some writing on what makes good cross border rail crossings work well be an addition to the map/database/articles/etc? Examples to be inspired by. There are different ways to make it work and maybe that could be an angle to add.

                (Assuming this would have to happen as part of something that provides funding of course.)

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                @stefanlindbohm Yes. When I have time 😀

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 103 of 125
                  FR 8802
                  06:10 Rimini - Bologna Centrale 07:15
                  Trenitalia

                  Train type: AnsaldoBreda ETR 700, 8 carriages
                  ⚡️ (3kV dc)
                  🚲: ⛔️
                  🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                  🛜: ✅ (requires registration - annoying)
                  🍽️: ✅
                  🧳: 😐 (lousy for large luggage)
                  🧽: 🙂
                  Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

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                  @jon This is not an attractive train. It looks like it was designed by committee decisions.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 103 of 125
                    FR 8802
                    06:10 Rimini - Bologna Centrale 07:15
                    Trenitalia

                    Train type: AnsaldoBreda ETR 700, 8 carriages
                    ⚡️ (3kV dc)
                    🚲: ⛔️
                    🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                    🛜: ✅ (requires registration - annoying)
                    🍽️: ✅
                    🧳: 😐 (lousy for large luggage)
                    🧽: 🙂
                    Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

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                    @jon Curious what you meant with the yes/no logo for bicycles? I don't remember any official bicycle spots on the ETR 700 but maybe I didn't check well or they changed the layout since then?

                    As usual, luggage space is rather cramped on Italian high-speed trains... It's ok when the service isn't busy: https://cycling-on-rails.com/train-bicycle-guide/italy/#etr-700-frecciarossa

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                    • cycling_on_rails@mastodon.socialC cycling_on_rails@mastodon.social

                      @jon Curious what you meant with the yes/no logo for bicycles? I don't remember any official bicycle spots on the ETR 700 but maybe I didn't check well or they changed the layout since then?

                      As usual, luggage space is rather cramped on Italian high-speed trains... It's ok when the service isn't busy: https://cycling-on-rails.com/train-bicycle-guide/italy/#etr-700-frecciarossa

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                      @cycling_on_rails it’s an error. It’s a no. I forgot to delete.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        According to @hopla it looks like Régiolis is actually running France - Germany today, as planned https://zug.network/@hopla/116514407465211628

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                        @jon @hopla at last! I wonder when they'll run to SB

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                        • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

                          @jon @hopla at last! I wonder when they'll run to SB

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                          @q @hopla not for a long time. At the start it’s all from the Mulhouse depot. Not Metz.

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            @q @hopla not for a long time. At the start it’s all from the Mulhouse depot. Not Metz.

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                            @jon @q which trains?

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                            • hopla@zug.networkH hopla@zug.network

                              @jon @q which trains?

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                              @hopla @q the cross border Régiolis. The reason Grand Est gave sometime last year for starting with Strasbourg - Offenburg and Mulhouse - Müllheim was that these would be from the Mulhouse depot. Is that not correct?

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                                @q @jon @hopla I mean I guess now that they use Régiolis to Offenburg and maybe soon Müllheim, they'll have some X73900 over for a more stable Saarbrücken service? Or even more than two cars per train?

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                                • simonschre@zug.networkS simonschre@zug.network

                                  @q @jon @hopla I mean I guess now that they use Régiolis to Offenburg and maybe soon Müllheim, they'll have some X73900 over for a more stable Saarbrücken service? Or even more than two cars per train?

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                                  @simonschre @q @hopla using Régiolis on electrified lines is obvious. But then why not Saarbrücken - Forbach too?

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    @simonschre @q @hopla using Régiolis on electrified lines is obvious. But then why not Saarbrücken - Forbach too?

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                                    @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I am under the impression that the depot in Metz does not have any experience with the Régiolis as of now.

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                                    • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

                                      @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I am under the impression that the depot in Metz does not have any experience with the Régiolis as of now.

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                                      @smveerman @simonschre @q @hopla it has some Régiolis there, but not the ones foreseen for cross border operations (I think). But Hopla can likely confirm.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        @hopla @q the cross border Régiolis. The reason Grand Est gave sometime last year for starting with Strasbourg - Offenburg and Mulhouse - Müllheim was that these would be from the Mulhouse depot. Is that not correct?

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                                        @jon @q the Strasbourg Offenburg are all dependent from Strasbourg workshops and agents.

                                        The Mulhouse-Müllheim-Freiburg are engines "lended" to Mulhouse workshop, and currently operated by Strasbourg agents. I deem it unlikely that Mulhouse agents get to drive them in the near future, too few Germany-able agents in Alsace-Moselle.
                                        What's also not helping is that the security certificate for these trains is held by DB Regio BW, who don't employ France -able drivers. Unlike, say, DB Regio Mitte...

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          @smveerman @simonschre @q @hopla it has some Régiolis there, but not the ones foreseen for cross border operations (I think). But Hopla can likely confirm.

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                                          @jon @smveerman @simonschre @q it was a plan for the Metz-Trier trains yes, dunno how far along they are on the Metz side. Not sure if they even have Germany -able drivers in Metz, and instead those trains get done by Sarreguemines drivers just like the Forbach-Saarbrücken?

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