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With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

    The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
    https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

    Have a read and let me know what you think!

    tristramg@mamot.frT This user is from outside of this forum
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    tristramg@mamot.fr
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    #4

    @jon could be fun to watch.

    But wouldn’t it take a too technical aspect?

    “we need a better trainline/protocol/norm for ticket distribution” and it would undermine the need to force all the operators to transport passenger no matter what company was delayed, where you bought the ticket and of how many parts it’s made of.

    (maybe I’m pushing a specific vision of passenger rights)

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    • tristramg@mamot.frT tristramg@mamot.fr

      @jon could be fun to watch.

      But wouldn’t it take a too technical aspect?

      “we need a better trainline/protocol/norm for ticket distribution” and it would undermine the need to force all the operators to transport passenger no matter what company was delayed, where you bought the ticket and of how many parts it’s made of.

      (maybe I’m pushing a specific vision of passenger rights)

      jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      jon@gruene.social
      wrote last edited by
      #5

      @tristramg the general point I want to underline: this is a total mess now, even for SIMPLE cross border journeys. That point is disputed by Community of European Railways, and some Member States. I just want that message hammered home.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

        The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
        https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

        Have a read and let me know what you think!

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        nico_niko@mastodon.social
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        #6

        @jon
        That's a great and fun idea :). The winning team should of course get an interrail ticket each. I'd be happy to contribute to croud fund the costs of setting this up.

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

          The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
          https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

          Have a read and let me know what you think!

          q@glauca.spaceQ This user is from outside of this forum
          q@glauca.spaceQ This user is from outside of this forum
          q@glauca.space
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          #7

          @jon I’d like to think I’d be pretty good at that, but in reality I’m probably hopelessly useless once Bahn.de no longer works

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          • q@glauca.spaceQ q@glauca.space

            @jon I’d like to think I’d be pretty good at that, but in reality I’m probably hopelessly useless once Bahn.de no longer works

            jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jon@gruene.social
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            #8

            @q You're not going to be alone in that 🙂 And one of the things I am going to have to include is things where bahn(dot)de cannot plan you a route!

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              @tristramg the general point I want to underline: this is a total mess now, even for SIMPLE cross border journeys. That point is disputed by Community of European Railways, and some Member States. I just want that message hammered home.

              tristramg@mamot.frT This user is from outside of this forum
              tristramg@mamot.frT This user is from outside of this forum
              tristramg@mamot.fr
              wrote last edited by
              #9

              @jon ok, fair enough 🙂 I’ll still worry that they’ll come up with a technical solution that will never work, but at least if they acknowledge the current situation it will be a progress

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

                The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
                https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

                Have a read and let me know what you think!

                samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                samueljohnson@mstdn.social
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                #10

                @jon I laughed. Cute idea. FWIW

                (To make playing easy, fast and to maximize participation)

                Collect actual experiences in a database. Number them. Allocate points according to criteria you decide.

                Assign routes to participants randomly.

                Press play = reveal results.

                Repeat with player with worst score being eliminated.

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                • tristramg@mamot.frT tristramg@mamot.fr

                  @jon ok, fair enough 🙂 I’ll still worry that they’ll come up with a technical solution that will never work, but at least if they acknowledge the current situation it will be a progress

                  tristramg@mamot.frT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  tristramg@mamot.fr
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                  #11

                  @jon by the way, I’m trying to find out if the Barcelona>Corodova the 02/08/26 at 15:16 will ever run (it disappears if you look on a shorter horizon) and whether I should buy a SpainPass.
                  Can you hold the competition soon? 😉

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

                    The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
                    https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

                    Have a read and let me know what you think!

                    maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                    maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                    maartje@blahaj.social
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                    #12

                    @jon do you need volunteers? i am in!

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                    • maartje@blahaj.socialM maartje@blahaj.social

                      @jon do you need volunteers? i am in!

                      jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      jon@gruene.social
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                      #13

                      @maartje You were one of the people I had in mind as a participant, yes 🙂

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        @q You're not going to be alone in that 🙂 And one of the things I am going to have to include is things where bahn(dot)de cannot plan you a route!

                        maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        maartje@blahaj.social
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                        #14

                        @jon @q just add "bahn.de got deleted by an intern who pushed test content again it is down, find a way through germany"

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                        • maartje@blahaj.socialM maartje@blahaj.social

                          @jon @q just add "bahn.de got deleted by an intern who pushed test content again it is down, find a way through germany"

                          q@glauca.spaceQ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          q@glauca.space
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                          #15

                          @jon @maartje through Germany that’s fine, the Germans published NeTeX is in enough places. the bigger problem comes from other countries where the only sensible access to their data is via the Bahn

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

                            The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
                            https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

                            Have a read and let me know what you think!

                            moof@cupoftea.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            moof@cupoftea.social
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                            #16

                            @jon Put me down for helping out or participating…

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              @q You're not going to be alone in that 🙂 And one of the things I am going to have to include is things where bahn(dot)de cannot plan you a route!

                              partim@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
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                              partim@social.tchncs.de
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                              #17

                              @jon @q Easy: Make them use a Linux laptop without the ability to change the browser ID string.

                              (I don’t actually know if the fixed that one yet.)

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

                                The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
                                https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

                                Have a read and let me know what you think!

                                partim@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                                partim@social.tchncs.deP This user is from outside of this forum
                                partim@social.tchncs.de
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                                #18

                                @jon Excellent idea. You’d have to hold it in Inari, though.

                                (Yes, that was a timetabling championship. I guess ticketing is the new timetabling.)

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  With legislation on rail ticketing due from the European Commission this spring, how can policymakers - who never normally see the problem - be shown it in a fun way?

                                  The idea: the European Railway Ticketing Championship
                                  https://jonworth.eu/a-silly-idea-to-prove-a-point-the-european-railway-ticketing-championship/

                                  Have a read and let me know what you think!

                                  maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                                  maartje@blahaj.social
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                                  #19

                                  @jon next level should be "here are a bunch of ticket machines you have 30 seconds to book a journey"

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                                  • maartje@blahaj.socialM maartje@blahaj.social

                                    @jon next level should be "here are a bunch of ticket machines you have 30 seconds to book a journey"

                                    jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    jon@gruene.social
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                                    #20

                                    @maartje Like that old TV show "supermarket sweep" - ticket machine sweep. Platinum level: Paris terminals 🤣

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                                    • partim@social.tchncs.deP partim@social.tchncs.de

                                      @jon @q Easy: Make them use a Linux laptop without the ability to change the browser ID string.

                                      (I don’t actually know if the fixed that one yet.)

                                      moritzkraehe@zug.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      moritzkraehe@zug.network
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                                      #21

                                      @partim @jon @q What do you mean? I'm (often) on Linux and I've never had any issues with bahn.de?

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        @maartje Like that old TV show "supermarket sweep" - ticket machine sweep. Platinum level: Paris terminals 🤣

                                        maartje@blahaj.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        maartje@blahaj.social
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                                        #22

                                        @jon you need a ticket from TER station to TGV over RER to TGV to TER in other region, you hold 1 local 1 national discount card you have 1 minute

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                                        • moritzkraehe@zug.networkM moritzkraehe@zug.network

                                          @partim @jon @q What do you mean? I'm (often) on Linux and I've never had any issues with bahn.de?

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                                          partim@social.tchncs.de
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                                          #23

                                          @moritzkraehe For a while, either searching or booking a ticket lead to an error claiming you are a bot, even if you were logged in and everything. Looks like at least right now this isn’t the case.

                                          @jon @q

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