/e/ and Murena have been been promoting their products by misleading people about GrapheneOS for years.
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@lina @GrapheneOS How well do you understand the role of Google in the ecosystem of Android alternatives?
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@GrapheneOS
STOP BASHING OTHER ALTERNATIVE ANDROID ROMSYoure telling the wrong android project this. GOS hasnt bashed anyone.
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@GrapheneOS It's great you're taking time to clear up factually incorrect claims, whether they're made out of maliciousness or naivety. Constructive community engagement is great!
But please, for the love of god, this information only belongs A) in the threads where factually incorrect claims are being made and B) on your website in the FAQ section.
I know it's not intuitive, but pushing conflict into everyone's face again and again makes your project seem *less* trustworthy, not more.
Those who spread misinfo make individual posts and shove it in peoples faces. GOS is allowed to make posts about topics that pertain to them, especially if they are to point out harm and abuse.
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There's a comparison between operating systems based on the Android Open Source Project at https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm which provides a good overview of how GrapheneOS compares to other options. GrapheneOS is clearly a privacy project and is a major innovator in privacy protections.
GrapheneOS has an extremely high level of app compatibility. Nearly every Android app can be used on it which is crucial for broad usability. A tiny subset of Android apps banning using an alternate OS which we haven't yet worked around or convinced to allow it are incompatible.
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@lina Google Pay bans using alternative operating systems which aren't certified by Google as part of licensing Google Mobile Services. There are working tap-to-pay options available for GrapheneOS. We don't know where you live but Curve Pay is available in the UK and European Economic Area. PayPal has tap-to-pay in Germany. A bunch of banks in European countries support tap-to-pay via a standard predating the widespread adoption of Google Pay. Banks dropping that for Google Pay has slowed down.
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@GrapheneOS
Look, I am following both. GrapheneOS AND /e/.
I've NEVER read GrapheneOS-bashing logorrhea like yours towards main LineageOS-based ROMs.Really, stop victimising yourself and start acknowledging that every Google-shipped alternative ROM is a step towards better. Let users pick what they want.
@GrapheneOS
As for me, I chose to degoogle my life BUT to a certain extent only. I will not get rid of my Chromecast, neither of my unlimited Google Photos. I know there may be better choices, but these are mine. My LineageOS-based ROM is cool for me. Your ROM may be a better choice, but STOP criticising other ones. This is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. -
@niavy These threads are a direct response to attacks on our project and exist to address the inaccurate claims made about the GrapheneOS project and our team. We're defending ourselves from /e/ and Murena along with their supporters continuing to mislead people about GrapheneOS.
We're going to address the fact that their supporters use the tactic of portraying our threads addressing their inaccurate claims to falsely present us as the aggressor. It's another of their inaccurate talking points.
@GrapheneOS
Look, I am following both. GrapheneOS AND /e/.
I've NEVER read GrapheneOS-bashing logorrhea like yours towards main LineageOS-based ROMs.Really, stop victimising yourself and start acknowledging that every Google-shipped alternative ROM is a step towards better. Let users pick what they want.
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Youre telling the wrong android project this. GOS hasnt bashed anyone.
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GrapheneOS has an extremely high level of app compatibility. Nearly every Android app can be used on it which is crucial for broad usability. A tiny subset of Android apps banning using an alternate OS which we haven't yet worked around or convinced to allow it are incompatible.
Our primary focus is improving the usability and out-of-the-box experience of GrapheneOS. We're continuing to add own privacy and security focused implementations of functionality normally provided by Google apps/services. The user-facing apps are being overhauled and replaced.
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@HybridStaticAnimate
"GrapheneOS hasn't bashed anyone" BWAHAHAHA
They did more than once.
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Our primary focus is improving the usability and out-of-the-box experience of GrapheneOS. We're continuing to add own privacy and security focused implementations of functionality normally provided by Google apps/services. The user-facing apps are being overhauled and replaced.
We already shipped our own network-based location and geocoding implementations which we'll be making more discoverable. Our high quality local text-to-speech implementation is shipping soon and we'll also be providing a local speech-to-text implementation. A lot more is coming.
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@lina @GrapheneOS It's not a tenable proposition for a disruptive upstart...we see examples all over the place of Big Tech shutting accounts of projects that are deemed threats to their hegemony.
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@HybridStaticAnimate
"GrapheneOS hasn't bashed anyone" BWAHAHAHAThey did more than once.
@GrapheneOSNo, they havent. You havent been reading anything thats been going on if thats the conclusion you came to. They defend themselves. Why dont you direct your comments to the groups actually bashing other android projects? They keep initiating these attacks and GOS is retaliating defensively. Not the other way around. The evidence of this has been posted numerous times.
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We already shipped our own network-based location and geocoding implementations which we'll be making more discoverable. Our high quality local text-to-speech implementation is shipping soon and we'll also be providing a local speech-to-text implementation. A lot more is coming.
/e/ bundles many privacy invasive apps/services. That includes adding a bunch of Google services not present in AOSP with privileged access. They implement speech-to-text by sending user data to OpenAI without informing users about it. We cannot do that.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline. The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service: https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
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@tastyraspberry Our posts are having the intended effect of addressing the inaccurate claims. We're aware it results in /e/ and Murena doubling down on attacks. We're also aware that it results in their supporters doubling down on attacks. These will be addressed with additional posts. They're on a sinking ship and they're misleading people about GrapheneOS far more desperately than they ever have before because of it. They do not have substance and they're losing the more they do this.
@GrapheneOS
> We're aware it results in /e/ and Murena doubling down on attacks. We're also aware that it results in their supporters doubling down on attacks. These will be addressed with additional posts.I.. don't know if attempting to fight fire with fire is a reasonable investment of the team's time. It's not your goal to find every instance of a false claim to debunk it, right?
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@GrapheneOS
> We're aware it results in /e/ and Murena doubling down on attacks. We're also aware that it results in their supporters doubling down on attacks. These will be addressed with additional posts.I.. don't know if attempting to fight fire with fire is a reasonable investment of the team's time. It's not your goal to find every instance of a false claim to debunk it, right?
@GrapheneOS Most other organizations (Wikipedia, Signal..) respond to FUD or backlash by making a blog post. This is then shared by the org a few times on their socials, and community members will of course also use it to counter FUD/backlash in the relevant threads.
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@GrapheneOS Most other organizations (Wikipedia, Signal..) respond to FUD or backlash by making a blog post. This is then shared by the org a few times on their socials, and community members will of course also use it to counter FUD/backlash in the relevant threads.
@GrapheneOS If you must reply to individual threads yourself, you could probably save lots of time by having an evergreen section on your website dedicated to debunking FUD and just linking to that. There's little point in formulating individual responses on very similar topics repeatedly. Either a person is open to look at new information without prejudice, or they're not.
You have more important work to do.. and you know it
Not trying to be harsh, I want you guys to succeed!
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@GrapheneOS Most other organizations (Wikipedia, Signal..) respond to FUD or backlash by making a blog post. This is then shared by the org a few times on their socials, and community members will of course also use it to counter FUD/backlash in the relevant threads.
@tastyraspberry This is a microblogging platform. These are how we publish this form of content. We post longer form content as long posts on our forum where people can respond on the forum and we cross-post them here. We fully intend to do that as part of addressing this situation too.
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/e/ bundles many privacy invasive apps/services. That includes adding a bunch of Google services not present in AOSP with privileged access. They implement speech-to-text by sending user data to OpenAI without informing users about it. We cannot do that.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline. The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service: https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
Providing users with privacy requires ongoing work to address privacy vulnerabilities. GrapheneOS keeps up with the standard Android privacy patches. We also fix many Android privacy issues ourselves including VPN leaks. We're actively working on fixing remaining VPN issues.
