Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena.
-
@GrapheneOS
Since I speak French it hit me pretty hard because it's one thing to read it written in an article or a tweet, it's another to watch the clip directly.
To have someone make privacy software while claiming that security is for pedophiles...
Très décevant Gaël, si tu lis ça.
C'est l'heure de step up ton game, j'aime e/OS/, mais là tu ne fais pas les choses justes.
La sécurité c'est pour tout le monde. Si je perds mon téléphone, j'ai besoin de savoir que ma vie digitale sera protégée.@mttn @GrapheneOS J'aimerais beaucoup que @gael réponde. J'ai fait confiance à /e/ et je n'y connais rien en sécurité... Ça m'inquiète.
-
/e/ and Murena aren't on the same side as GrapheneOS. They're charlatans selling devices with poor privacy and atrocious security to earn money. They've spent years trying to undermine a legitimate privacy project and heavily use the same talking points as police state advocates.
@GrapheneOS Can't wait for your Motorola partnership to further legitimize GrapheneOS.
-
Here are several particularly egregious examples:
Téléphones protégés utilisés par les narcotrafiquants : « Rien n’est inviolable ! »
Les téléphones Google Pixel équipés du système d’exploitation GrapheneOS permettent à des criminels de dissimuler leurs échanges. Johanna Brousse, magistrate spécialisée dans la lutte contre la cybercriminalité, explique quels sont les moyens de la justice pour contourner ce type ...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Google Pixel et GrapheneOS : la botte secrète des narcotrafiquants pour protéger leurs données de la police
Les analystes de la police judiciaire, spécialisés dans la cybersécurité (OFAC), viennent d’alerter sur le nouvel outil des trafiquants pour dissimuler leurs échanges via leurs téléphones portables : GraphèneOS, un système d’exploitation qui fonctionne sur les Google Pixel et qui d...
leparisien.fr (www.leparisien.fr)
Narcotrafic : les autorités alertent sur l'utilisation d'un système d'exploitation de téléphone pour échapper aux forces de l'ordre
Ce dispositif permet d'assurer un haut niveau de confidentialité et de protection contre les intrusions. Selon les renseignements criminels, il intéresse les trafiquants de drogue en quête constante de nouvelles technologies.
Franceinfo (www.franceinfo.fr)
Gaël Duval and Murena participated in these attacks. They even spread harassment content towards our team and shared it with sites attacking us.
The article is behind a paywall...
-
That interview is not Gaël Duval misspeaking but rather he's expressing views we've seen him communicate in written form many times before. He has repeatedly misled people about what GrapheneOS provides and claimed it's only useful to criminals. He supported those media attacks.
Gaël Duval has repeatedly spread harassment content targeting our team with fabricated stories and bullying. Perhaps all of this is because he wants to maximize profits for Murena, but how is he going to achieve that by claiming serious privacy and security is for pedophiles?
-
Gaël Duval has repeatedly spread harassment content targeting our team with fabricated stories and bullying. Perhaps all of this is because he wants to maximize profits for Murena, but how is he going to achieve that by claiming serious privacy and security is for pedophiles?
Here's a paywall bypass for the 2 paywalled articles above:
These are among the most egregious cases of France's corporate and state media presenting highly inaccurate state smearing of GrapheneOS as fact but there's much more.
-
The article is behind a paywall...
@claude_champagne Here's a paywall bypass for the 2 paywalled articles above:
The third one doesn't have a paywall and there are many more similar articles across other sites. We didn't want to link the ones where our team was personally targeted by a tech news site heavily misrepresenting our statements and adding up the total amount of tweets we posted over a week mainly as replies to questions to misrepresent as being on our main timeline.
-
France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.
@GrapheneOS And this thing is old, for example, back when the first versions of Firefox were released, France had demanded versions of Firefox with significantly reduced security to allow law enforcement agencies to take remote control of it. I didn’t know about it at the time; I was too young, but I know it happened.
During the gradual transition to encrypting the web, France was reluctant and initially wanted to limit encryption to states websites and banks.
Surveillance by the French government has taken an even more aggressive turn since 2015, following the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
The GDPR has so far proven ineffective, and it is mainly due to the censorship and decisions of the Constitutional Council and the Court of Justice of the European Union that the French government is prevented from going further than it would like, but every year, it tries to circumvent these decisions.
-
Despite being done for profit, /e/ receives millions of euros in funding from the EU on an ongoing basis. /e/ and Murena use extraordinarily inaccurate marketing to not only promote their products/services but also to mislead people about GrapheneOS and scare them away from it.
"And, my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you." - Nicholas Klein, trade union attorney (1918) [Often attributed to Schopenhauer 1819, or Gandhi 1920]
-
@claude_champagne Here's a paywall bypass for the 2 paywalled articles above:
The third one doesn't have a paywall and there are many more similar articles across other sites. We didn't want to link the ones where our team was personally targeted by a tech news site heavily misrepresenting our statements and adding up the total amount of tweets we posted over a week mainly as replies to questions to misrepresent as being on our main timeline.
-
@cutesobri We used a manual translation for the quote we included in this thread but automatic translation is good enough for the articles. There are a only a few specific places in the content where we got a native French speaker to help out with making sure we were getting the full nuance of it including the parts with the not so subtle threats.
-
"I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever"
Gael Duval attack GrapheneOS, GrapheneOS responds to these attacks.
"I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past"
It's not in the past, these attacks are recuring, and he does it again in this recent video. Duval has been waging a disinformation campaign against GOS for years.
@Xtreix @GrapheneOS this post does not respond to a direct attack as far as I know
-
"I don't think you should attack frontally others like that whenever"
Gael Duval attack GrapheneOS, GrapheneOS responds to these attacks.
"I understand its CEO and the Murena company might have attack the GrapheneOS project in the past"
It's not in the past, these attacks are recuring, and he does it again in this recent video. Duval has been waging a disinformation campaign against GOS for years.
@Xtreix @GrapheneOS I've only watched the short section of the videos from the post, do you have a source of the complete video so I could watch it and see the direct attack to GrapheneOS in it as you mention
-
They dont provide privacy. So a promise is already broken. But beyond that, privacy cannot exist without security. They arent mutually exclusive, they are intertwined. To ignore security means you are not a privacy project.
E/ is not better at degoogling. GrapheneOS does not connect to any google servers, run any google play code, have any privilege google services, etc. Sandboxed google play is sandboxed and must be installed by the user. All default connections are to first party servers hosted by GOS. It is not more involved to get the same apps, google or otherwise.
@HybridStaticAnimate @codebam @GrapheneOS
That it must be installed by the user doesn't make it different.
IMHO the two app stores included in GrapheneOS are not sufficient for the vast majority of users.
If "every" user needs to install it to have a usable phone, it really is part of the attack surface.
(And yes, I'm aware the Play services are sandboxed on GrapheneOS which improves privacy and security)It's a bit like delivering a computer without network functionality because it reduces the attack surface, and then blaming the user if they install network drivers.
-
Gaël Duval is the founder and president of the /e/ foundation along with the CEO of Murena. Duval and his organizations have consistently taken a stance against protecting users from exploits. In this video, he once again claims protecting against exploits is for only useful pedophiles and spies.
Translation to English:
> There's the attack surface, on that front we're not security specialists here, so I couldn't answer you precisely, but from the discussions I've had, it seems that everything
@GrapheneOS
Well, I certainly find GraphineOS easy to use, and use it for everyday, because i value privacy and understand security. -
@mttn @GrapheneOS J'aimerais beaucoup que @gael réponde. J'ai fait confiance à /e/ et je n'y connais rien en sécurité... Ça m'inquiète.
@Camille @GrapheneOS @gael
Bah le truc c'est que les téléphones Android n'ont jamais été trop sécurisés jusqu'à il y a quelques années. (En tout cas à ma connaissance les iPhones étaient les seuls qui étaient vraiment protégés)
Maintenant on a Graphene avec des paramètres de protection vraiment incroyables, et certains autres téléphones genre le Google Pixel avec l'OS stock est apparemment assez sécurisé aussi. -
@Camille @GrapheneOS @gael
Bah le truc c'est que les téléphones Android n'ont jamais été trop sécurisés jusqu'à il y a quelques années. (En tout cas à ma connaissance les iPhones étaient les seuls qui étaient vraiment protégés)
Maintenant on a Graphene avec des paramètres de protection vraiment incroyables, et certains autres téléphones genre le Google Pixel avec l'OS stock est apparemment assez sécurisé aussi.@Camille @GrapheneOS @gael Je ne m'y connais pas assez pour pouvoir te dire que n'importe quelle personne pourra entrer dans ton téléphone, mais à coup sûr les autorités peuvent rentrer facilement dedans vu que c'est ce que Gaël semble impliquer.
Si les autorités peuvent pour des suspicions banales (et pas une suspicion genre espionnage d'état à haut niveau), je ne vois pas pourquoi quelqu'un de très expérimenté ne pourrait pas non plus. -
@Camille @GrapheneOS @gael Je ne m'y connais pas assez pour pouvoir te dire que n'importe quelle personne pourra entrer dans ton téléphone, mais à coup sûr les autorités peuvent rentrer facilement dedans vu que c'est ce que Gaël semble impliquer.
Si les autorités peuvent pour des suspicions banales (et pas une suspicion genre espionnage d'état à haut niveau), je ne vois pas pourquoi quelqu'un de très expérimenté ne pourrait pas non plus.@Camille @GrapheneOS @gael À priori c'est pas le voleur classique qui veut revendre ton téléphone qui va essayer de le hacker, mais bon, si la porte est ouverte honnêtement on ne sait jamais. (Et c'est ça qui fait peur, de ne pas savoir concrètement à quel point c'est faisable, donc pour moi c'est intuitif de vouloir un téléphone sécurisé)
-
@GrapheneOS @blueluma @Xtreix I also think it's not the best to directly attack them and others. Stating that GOS is better than others and how smooth it works can be presented in a better way. I'm not a PR specialist but disputing false claims maybe can be done in a better way without "sounding desperate". Sry not native English and therefore don't finding the right words.
GOS is strong and works nice and I I'm so excited about the Motorola cooperation. Keep on with this awesome work. -
France is the most anti-encryption, anti-privacy and anti-security country in the EU. They've been doing a gradual crackdown on open source privacy projects including GrapheneOS and Signal with escalating smears and threats. /e/ and Murena are on the side of the police state.
@GrapheneOS
To be fair, Signal lies about their actual security, particularly regarding metadata protection.Metadata Protection in Instant Messaging Applications: a Review
Twelve years after the public specification of the Signal protocol, almost all instant messaging protocols have embraced the ratchet construct, granting perfect forward secrecy and post-compromise security. Whatsapp, Signal, OMEMO-based applications, Olm and Megolm-based applications, or SimpleX ...
Pass the SALT Archives (passthesalt.ubicast.tv)
Olvid, a French IM, arguably offers better privacy than Signal, by design. But they are French, so I don't trust them either for the reasons you listed in this thread.
@simplex is way ahead of Signal and Olvid, privacy/security-wise.
-
@cutesobri @GrapheneOS No the translation is clearly not accurate. What G.D. says in french is the /e/ fundation builds an os you could not trust to hide from heavy investigations. In the mainlines, if you're pedocriminal, spy, executive, whatever, their operating system is not build for, it is (just) built to reduce everyday footprint in daily usage.
