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  3. finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @AH_99 e-SUVs are out, e-bikes very much in

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    • publius@mastodon.sdf.orgP publius@mastodon.sdf.org

      @loriemerson

      How far back do you have to go, to find a time when many people would have agreed that slavery fell in the category of "family and community relationships", and was even among the most important? Technological innovation disrupted that, by separating the processing of chemical energy into mechanical work from the human body. I for one have no desire to go back.

      #atomicpowertothepeople

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      @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

      History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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      • earthshine@masto.hackers.townE earthshine@masto.hackers.town

        @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

        admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @earthshine @loriemerson Yeah, powered by burning wood or vegetation, or a combustion engine running pure ethanol..maybe even incinerating mountains of bioplastics... 🙂

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        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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          @loriemerson This is a great list!!

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          • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

            @loriemerson This is a great list!!

            dogfox@kpop.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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            Wendell Berry rocks.

            @ai6yr @loriemerson

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            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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              @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

                History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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                @dalias that's just a sad little troll, making a pathetic attempt to shit on someone else's post.

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                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                  @loriemerson Nothing about durability. Point 6 only gets partway there.

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                  • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

                    @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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                    @libroraptor @loriemerson Yeah, smaller isn't necessarily better.

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                    • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                      @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                      @aakoskin @loriemerson the text is in the image description you numpty.

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                      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                        @loriemerson amazing - I tracked down the source. Thanks for this! 🙇‍♀️✌️💙

                        Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer
                        Wendell Berry
                        New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly
                        Vol. 10, No. 1 (Autumn, 1987), pp. 112-113 (2 pages)
                        Published By: Middlebury College Publications

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                        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                          @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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                          • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                            finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                            @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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                            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                              @loriemerson

                              I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

                              https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

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                              Nine Rules for Evaluating New Technology

                              In 1987, Wendell Berry wrote an essay called Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer. In it, he outlined his standards for adopting new technology in his work

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                              • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                                For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                                I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                                • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                                  @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                                  For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                                  I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                                  • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                                    @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                    Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                                    @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                                    • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                                      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                      Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                                      @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                      I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                                      Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                                      • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                                        @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                        I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                                        Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                                        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                        It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                                        I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                                        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                          @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                                          @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

                                          Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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