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  • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

    Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

    As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


    Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

    "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

    This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

    This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
    In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
    This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
    We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
    Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
    In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
    This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
    To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
    "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

    oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
    Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
    The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

    This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

    Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

    javi@goblin.bandJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    javi@goblin.band
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    But hey, who could knew that putting the VP of Marketing of facebook (2012-2023) in charge of Mozilla's new ad division would led to the very predictable outcome of Firefox becoming just another panopticon selling your personal data uh? WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING

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    • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

      Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

      As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


      Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

      "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

      This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

      This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
      In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
      This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
      We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
      Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
      In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
      This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
      To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
      "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

      oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
      Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
      The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

      This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

      Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

      untitaker@gts.woodland.cafeU This user is from outside of this forum
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      untitaker@gts.woodland.cafe
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      @javi I don't understand where you read out of this that they upload your browsing history anywhere. That the Omnibar shows my browsing history together with search suggestions is already how it works today.

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      • untitaker@gts.woodland.cafeU untitaker@gts.woodland.cafe

        @javi I don't understand where you read out of this that they upload your browsing history anywhere. That the Omnibar shows my browsing history together with search suggestions is already how it works today.

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        javi@goblin.band
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        Well, I read it in the new Terms of Use document I liked, it's very explicitly there, in several places even. For example:



        "

        In some cases, when ads are enabled on New Tab, additional browsing and interaction data (including interactions with our advertisers) may also be processed locally on your device to measure the effectiveness of those ads; the shortcuts feature also uses browsing data locally on your device to select top shortcuts, some of which may be sponsored. Any such data will only be shared with Mozilla and/or our advertising partners via our privacy-preserving technologies on an aggregated and/or de-identified basis."

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        • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

          Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

          As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


          Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

          "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

          This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

          This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
          In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
          This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
          We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
          Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
          In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
          This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
          To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
          "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

          oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
          Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
          The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

          This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

          Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

          kazara@app.wafrn.netK This user is from outside of this forum
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          kazara@app.wafrn.net
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          @javi@goblin.band

          my question for things like this is, as always, how much of this is new versus how much of it has been there before and only noticed because the company said there was a terms update and didn't supply a changelog? Because when I look at the wayback machine for their terms of use… the search query stuff has been there since at least 2023. Mozilla's search partners also got data back during that time period, and sponsored content has ABSOLUTELY been there for years.

          The search and interaction data, the data sharing to facilitate research/lawful business, disclosing data to contractors, the table showing all that stuff? There in April 2025 at the latest.


          Basically, they've been like this for months, if not years, and it's only noticed now because companies don't make comparisons easy.

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          • kazara@app.wafrn.netK kazara@app.wafrn.net

            @javi@goblin.band

            my question for things like this is, as always, how much of this is new versus how much of it has been there before and only noticed because the company said there was a terms update and didn't supply a changelog? Because when I look at the wayback machine for their terms of use… the search query stuff has been there since at least 2023. Mozilla's search partners also got data back during that time period, and sponsored content has ABSOLUTELY been there for years.

            The search and interaction data, the data sharing to facilitate research/lawful business, disclosing data to contractors, the table showing all that stuff? There in April 2025 at the latest.


            Basically, they've been like this for months, if not years, and it's only noticed now because companies don't make comparisons easy.

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            javi@goblin.band
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            The problem is not so much the sponsored content, but the usage of your personal data to segment you into a narrow target they can sell to advertisers. I may be wrong on this, but I think that part wasn't there a few months ago.

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            • javi@goblin.bandJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              javi@goblin.band
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              ok I just checked the same page from last summer. While there was some 'sponsored content based on your habits' stuff already, it looked that it was limited just to the new tab page. For example, the sponsored results in the search suggestions didn't involve segmenting you by your browsing history, while now they do.
              they went from this, back in July 2025:
              "Mozilla may also receive location-related keywords from your search (such as when you search for “Boston”) and share this with our partners to provide recommended and sponsored content."
              To this, March 2026:
              "Mozilla processes this data to serve you relevant suggestions, understand how useful the suggestions are to you, and improve the service. In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content."

              Also, it looks like now they are using 3rd party programmatic ads, while they didn't last summer:

              "We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time."



              Programmatic ads are only really profitable when you share as much (anonymized) personal data with the ad exchange as you can. There's no way of making money with programmatic ads that doesn't include selling end-user segmentation data.

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              • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                davep@infosec.exchange
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                @javi WHAT?!

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                • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                  Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                  As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                  Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                  "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                  This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                  This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                  In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                  This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                  We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                  Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                  In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                  This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                  To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                  "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                  oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                  Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                  The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                  This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                  Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                  morgannalefey@app.wafrn.net
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  @javi@goblin.band

                  I'm pretty sure you can turn all of this stuff off in Firefox. You can make it not use information across tabs so it's not actually checking where you've been or storing it anywhere if you don't want it to. There's also an AI kill switch in it. I have add ons that skip ads and sponsorship bits in YouTube videos. And I've changed my default search to DuckDuckGo's No AI url. But if you don't like any of that, maybe look at Waterfox, instead. I'm finding my experience with Firefox is just so much better. I don't get any AI crap in my searches and youtube videos are actually watchable because there's no ads.

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                  • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                    Well, I read it in the new Terms of Use document I liked, it's very explicitly there, in several places even. For example:



                    "

                    In some cases, when ads are enabled on New Tab, additional browsing and interaction data (including interactions with our advertisers) may also be processed locally on your device to measure the effectiveness of those ads; the shortcuts feature also uses browsing data locally on your device to select top shortcuts, some of which may be sponsored. Any such data will only be shared with Mozilla and/or our advertising partners via our privacy-preserving technologies on an aggregated and/or de-identified basis."

                    untitaker@gts.woodland.cafeU This user is from outside of this forum
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                    untitaker@gts.woodland.cafe
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    @javi Reading through this and the follow-up replies you still haven't sourced your claim that they upload _browsing history_ (or in your words, "everything"). You've pivoted to click-rate on ads, which are absolutely not the same. You say "they use your browser's data to do targeted advertising" but i'm talking about which exact data they use. That shit matters.

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                    • untitaker@gts.woodland.cafeU untitaker@gts.woodland.cafe

                      @javi Reading through this and the follow-up replies you still haven't sourced your claim that they upload _browsing history_ (or in your words, "everything"). You've pivoted to click-rate on ads, which are absolutely not the same. You say "they use your browser's data to do targeted advertising" but i'm talking about which exact data they use. That shit matters.

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                      #11

                      they DON'T UPLOAD BROWSER HISTORY. I've never say that (through they literally say it in their terms of service, but I don't think it's literal because it wouldn't make any sense). I also never talked about click-through rate, I don't know what you mean about it. What they do, what the startup they bought last year to take over their advertisement business, is to process your personal data LOCALLY and upload your anonymized profile, instead of uploading your personal data and creating that anonymized profile in their servers, as Google and the rest does. The key part here is that THAT DOESN'T MATTER: No one sells your browsing history or your personal data. They sell your profile they create based on that data. What mozilla is doing is selling exactly the same product than google, with the only difference being they use your own CPU to create it instead of doing it in their own servers. And they are trying to tell us that's a much more ethical way of doing this because of potato potato.

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                      • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                        Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                        As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                        Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                        "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                        This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                        This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                        In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                        This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                        We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                        Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                        In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                        This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                        To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                        "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                        oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                        Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                        The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                        This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                        Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                        @javi@goblin.band

                        Just a reminder that Waterfox and Librewolf exist, and that they both strip out Mozilla's telemetry and AI crap out of Firefox, and maintain privacy respecting browsers based on it.

                        https://librewolf.net
                        https://www.waterfox.com


                        #Waterfox #librewolf #firefox #mozilla #privacy #foss #enshittification
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                        • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                          Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                          As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                          Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                          "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                          This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                          This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                          In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                          This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                          We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                          Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                          In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                          This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                          To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                          "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                          oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                          Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                          The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                          This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                          Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                          seriously, folks, before coming to my replies to tell me "That's not what they say!", please, go and search how programmatic advertisement works, how ad exchanges work. And then, read Firefox ToS again so you can at last understand what they are talking about. If your know how modern online advertisement work, those ToS are crystal clear.

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                          • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                            Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                            As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                            Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                            "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                            This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                            This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                            In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                            This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                            We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                            Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                            In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                            This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                            To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                            "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                            oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                            Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                            The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                            This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                            Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                            @javi@goblin.band

                            I think this is not nearly as bad as it looks when you thoroughly examine the terms and privacy policy. First, it says in their privacy policy that:

                            Note: Firefox does not share information like your browsing history, search queries, or saved passwords with marketing technology partners. Mozilla only collects the data necessary to measure and improve our marketing campaigns.
                            (in the "to market our services" section, far right column.)

                            A lot of the scary data is used for ads on the new tab page, which first of all you can opt-out of, and secondly that data is processed on-device according to Mozilla. They never see it, and neither do the sponsors. Your browser gets a list of sponsors from Mozilla and decides on-device which ones to show you based on your history.

                            Mozilla has an entire page explaining all the identifiable information they scrub to prevent you from being tracked by their ads. I know some people don't like having opt-out ads at all, but frankly tracking-free ads with an opt-out switch are completely fine. Developing a browser costs money, and it seems like Mozilla has found a way to get that money without compromising on privacy. Could Mozilla communicate about this better? Yeah, absolutely. However, saying "this is where Firefox dies" is irresponsible fearmongering.

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                            • flammableengineering@app.wafrn.netF flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net

                              @javi@goblin.band

                              I think this is not nearly as bad as it looks when you thoroughly examine the terms and privacy policy. First, it says in their privacy policy that:

                              Note: Firefox does not share information like your browsing history, search queries, or saved passwords with marketing technology partners. Mozilla only collects the data necessary to measure and improve our marketing campaigns.
                              (in the "to market our services" section, far right column.)

                              A lot of the scary data is used for ads on the new tab page, which first of all you can opt-out of, and secondly that data is processed on-device according to Mozilla. They never see it, and neither do the sponsors. Your browser gets a list of sponsors from Mozilla and decides on-device which ones to show you based on your history.

                              Mozilla has an entire page explaining all the identifiable information they scrub to prevent you from being tracked by their ads. I know some people don't like having opt-out ads at all, but frankly tracking-free ads with an opt-out switch are completely fine. Developing a browser costs money, and it seems like Mozilla has found a way to get that money without compromising on privacy. Could Mozilla communicate about this better? Yeah, absolutely. However, saying "this is where Firefox dies" is irresponsible fearmongering.

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                              Nope. They explain in the ToS they are now using programmatic ads. Programmatic ads work by Mozilla sharing anonymized data about you with advertisers, so they can target their campaigns at your profile. These profiles are compiled by Mozilla from the personal data they have from you.

                              This is exactly how the advertisement model of Google or Facebook work. The "processed on device" is just smoke and mirrors to make you think they are more ethical than them: the product they sell is exactly the same, the usage they do of your data is the same, the data they share about is the same.

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                                And to be 100% clear: Mozilla didn't found any way to sell data without compromising our privacy. Their way is the same model Facebook has been using for over a decade. What they found is a gimmick they can use for PR and trick people who don't understand how the online advertising industry works

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                                • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                                  Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                                  As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                                  Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                                  "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                                  This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                                  This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                                  In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                                  This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                                  We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                                  Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                                  In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                                  This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                                  To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                                  "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                                  oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                                  Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                                  The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                                  This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                                  Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                                  @javi guess its back to qutebrowser?🥴

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                                  • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                                    Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                                    As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                                    Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                                    "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                                    This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                                    This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                                    In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                                    This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                                    We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                                    Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                                    In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                                    This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                                    To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                                    "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                                    oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                                    Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                                    The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                                    This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                                    Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                                    @javi I don’t really want to defend Firefox, they’ve certainly made some questionable choices. But this is all wrong. What this text is saying: search suggestions don’t all come from the same place. There are the search suggestions from the search engine of your choice – these are the only ones where a third party is involved, and that third party doesn’t get any of your data. Firefox will also suggest matches from your history, bookmarks and open tabs – this is done locally. Showing sponsored suggestions is also done locally. You don’t have to like them but there is no privacy issue here.

                                    The language of the privacy policy is certainly not optimal (due to legal requirements I guess) but I’m mostly certain that “partners will received de-identified search and interaction data” talks about Mozilla Telemetry. This feature lives under “Firefox Data Collection and Use” in the Firefox settings, you are free to uncheck everything. I did so a while ago but not because I object to this functionality as such, I rather disliked the way they pseudonymize the data – they could have done better.

                                    Showing ads in New Tab certainly was and is a controversial topic. Regardless of the language in the Privacy Policy however, implementing this in the least privacy invading way was part of the point here. Again: you don’t have to like Mozilla showing you ads (and personally I chose that I don’t want to see them), but privacy-wise their implementation isn’t even remotely comparable to what any website you are visiting does.

                                    None of this is really new. All of this has been around for at least a decade I think, often way longer. I’m not sure what exactly prompted your post, did they change the language of the privacy policy? It’s a lot of legal ass covering and generalization here which says very little about what the browser is actually doing.

                                    Disclaimer: It has been a while since I last looked at Firefox source code. But I doubt that things changed radically since then.

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                                    • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                                      Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                                      As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                                      Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                                      "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                                      This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                                      This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                                      In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                                      This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                                      We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                                      Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                                      In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                                      This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                                      To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                                      "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                                      oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                                      Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                                      The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                                      This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                                      Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                                      @javi

                                      I strongly recommend the librewolf fork. I switched a while ago for other pragmatic reasons - some pop-ups on stock firefox went away under librewolf. But it should also be better around the monetization, of which so far as I can tell there is none. And it's otherwise compatible so far less painful than a bigger jump to an entirely different browser.

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                                      • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                                        Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                                        As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                                        Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                                        "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                                        This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                                        This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                                        In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                                        This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                                        We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                                        Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                                        In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                                        This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                                        To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                                        "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                                        oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                                        Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                                        The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                                        This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                                        Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                                        @javi *laughs in Lynx*

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                                        LYNX – The Text Web-Browser

                                        Thomas Dickey is the maintainer/developer of the Lynx text-browser. This page gives some background and pointers to Lynx resources.

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                                        (lynx.invisible-island.net)

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                                        • javi@goblin.bandJ javi@goblin.band

                                          Firefox updated their Terms of Use? Let's see!

                                          As you type a search query within Firefox, Firefox offers search suggestions to provide you with faster and more direct access to what you’re looking for. Some of the search suggestions come from your search provider (“Search Suggestions”). Others come from Firefox, and are based on information stored on your local device (including recent search terms, open tabs, and previously visited URLs), or content from Mozilla and Mozilla’s partners, including paid sponsors and internet resources like Wikipedia (“Suggestions from Firefox”).


                                          Here chat. Here. This is where Firefox dies.

                                          "information stored in your local device" and "content from mozilla's parners" and "paid sponsors".

                                          This is a very convoluted way of saying "we use your personal data to segment you into something we can sell to advertisers".

                                          This is EXACTLY what chrome does, this is exactly why a lot of us stopped using Chrome and moved back to Firefox.
                                          In some circumstances Mozilla’s partners will receive de-identified search and interaction data, in order to serve relevant suggestions and measure user engagement with suggested content.
                                          This is making me really mad. THIS IS JUST CORPO-SPEAK TO DESCRIBE HOW THE ENTIRE INTERNET ADVERTISEMENT INDUSTRY WORKS. This is HOW FACEBOOK WORK. This is how GOOGLE WORK. This is how the entire programmatic advertisement industry work. This is what we call "sell your personal data". No, no one sells your address, no one sells your name. BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL IN A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WORLD.
                                          We also work with advertising providers to deliver relevant sponsored content using programmatic technologies. To support this, we may share limited, non-identifying information — such as device type, IP-derived location information, and category of content viewed — to help determine which ads to display. We don’t share any information that identifies you. You can turn off sponsored content in your New Tab settings at any time.
                                          Oh it's so nice of you Mozilla, to do THE MINIMUM LEGAL REQUIREMENTS when selling our data. You don't share information that identify me? so nice of you! you know how else does that? Meta! Google! Tiktok! Somehow big tech mega corporations are willing to comply with the minimum legal requirements as you do, mozilla!
                                          In some cases, we may share or publish aggregated and anonymized data to facilitate research or as part of the lawful business purposes outlined above (such as sharing aggregated insights with advertising partners).
                                          This is called "advertisement segmentation" and it's what it paid for Zuckenberg fortress in Hawaii!! Going places, Moz, you are operating exactly as how Facebook used to do in 2016!
                                          To provide our services as described above, we may disclose personal data to: Partners, service providers, suppliers and contractors
                                          "We never disclose your personal data!!! well, unless it's one of our partners who pays us for it, of course!"

                                          oh wait! they include a table of what kind of data they share with partners!
                                          Technical dataLocationLanguage preferenceSettings dataUnique identifiersSystem performance dataInteraction dataSearch dataBrowsing data
                                          The SHARE FUCKING EVERYTHING. THEY ARE SELLING EVERYTHING. "Unique identifiers" is the closest to personal identifiable data they can sell. That's what advertisers can use to make a profile of you: They may not know your name, but they will know everything else about you.

                                          This is the same information that google collects and sells from you. THE SAME.

                                          Fucking ghouls. This is where Firefox died, folks.

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                                          @javi Took a trip through searchfox and there's some pretty ominous stuff with "inferred interests" and "private new tab pings" going on especially around the top sites and sponsored suggestions functionalities since last May, see for example https://searchfox.org/firefox-main/source/browser/extensions/newtab/lib/TelemetryFeed.sys.mjs

                                          I would recommend that people sticking with upstream FF disable sponsored everything, top sites, and use enterprise policies to set DisableTelemetry and DisableRemoteImprovements settings to true (sponsored everything can also be disabled through policies).

                                          "Remote improvements" which is often referred to as Nimbus in the code is a facility which Mozilla uses to remotely twiddle your preferences for phased rollouts and perhaps some more nefarious purposes. In some cases the Nimbus preference will override things you have set in about:config. (This appears to use a component called Normandy to access its backend, which is a part of the older "Firefox Studies" thing.)

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