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  3. Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    For those who don't know Meta is behind this OS level age verification stuff so they don't have to implement it within their own apps, like IG, FB, and WhatsApp. They are a truly evil mega corp out there that is pushing this and lobbying for things like age verification, ID verification, and KYC at OS level. They spent so far 2 billion dollars to make this legal thing. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html

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    @nixCraft

    yup. meta want identity verification for PII collection. nothing to do with protecting kid.

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    • echopapa@social.tchncs.deE echopapa@social.tchncs.de

      @nixCraft

      So, I think userdb should reveal the birthday to per-user code, because that per-user code then can consume this and provide a portal or something to properly sandboxed apps that provides a more restrictive api, i.e. age brackets and so on. But that kind of stuff is outside of the scope of systemd, here in systemd we just provide you with a way to maintain the original data, the precise policy enforcement on it must happen in the sandbox."

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      @echopapa @nixCraft "It's easy bro, it's not on us anyway, bro. If you're worried just fix your stack, bro. We're just the portal, bro."

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        For those who don't know Meta is behind this OS level age verification stuff so they don't have to implement it within their own apps, like IG, FB, and WhatsApp. They are a truly evil mega corp out there that is pushing this and lobbying for things like age verification, ID verification, and KYC at OS level. They spent so far 2 billion dollars to make this legal thing. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html

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        @nixCraft@mastodon.social

        …so they don't have to implement it within their own apps…
        You underestimate the appeal of forcing would-be marketing-targets reveal even more about themselves. I mean, age-group is a really useful marketing-target.

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

          Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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          @nixCraft big companies use malicious compliance in such cases. We, on the other hand, are not pathetic cowards, our response should be direct demonstrative civil disobedience, like ageless Linux does. Parasites who pass such bs into laws should be pushed back and eventually held accountable

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          • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

            @tezoatlipoca @nixCraft Oh it's absolute crap. I'm not in any way saying it's ok. And I don't think Linux can ever truly be fully compliant either since they generally will require connections to third parties that illegally utilize data they can't utilize and violate every single license that Linux utilizes.

            Chances are we're all just going to end up being illegal rebels using an OS that is an OS instead of a spy entity for corporations selling every bit of data they can get.

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            @nazokiyoubinbou @nixCraft

            > Chances are we're all just going to end up being illegal rebels using an OS that is an OS

            I am ok with this, even if it means (as I suspect it will) we spend too much effort in a battle between our devices/clients and SaaS/platform providers where we constantly break/fool mandated user verification and DRMs, they come up with new ones etc.

            All this age verification is gonna do is build a tech.smarter generation who is more confortable getting dity in the bits.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

              Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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              @nixCraft why the hell is a tool for managing system processes and handling services needing to care about DoB of user accounts? That should be in user admin or PAM space. Even if its to control whether a service could be run - it should call out to other functions and not capture such data itself.

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              • tezoatlipoca@mas.toT tezoatlipoca@mas.to

                @nazokiyoubinbou @nixCraft

                > Chances are we're all just going to end up being illegal rebels using an OS that is an OS

                I am ok with this, even if it means (as I suspect it will) we spend too much effort in a battle between our devices/clients and SaaS/platform providers where we constantly break/fool mandated user verification and DRMs, they come up with new ones etc.

                All this age verification is gonna do is build a tech.smarter generation who is more confortable getting dity in the bits.

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                @tezoatlipoca @nixCraft What concerns me is it's going to be a hard fight. For example, if they start locking bootloaders even on PCs... A basic framework for this is already in place (see things like Chromebooks.)

                People these days don't seem to be as willing to try or learn new things either. Plus they have done a darned good job of convincing the average person that they are terrified of installing a third party OS because... I don't even think they actually know why. Just that they are...

                Heck, if ChatGPT won't tell people how to install a "rogue linux" I suspect people in the future just won't do it

                With the way people are now I worry very much that if this succeeds it will just create a system where people tolerate things being more and more locked down instead of breaking it

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                  Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                  @nixCraft Y'all aware that systemd isn't forcing anyone to use systemd-userdb nor fill this record with any data?

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                    Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                    @nixCraft is amazing how many users were born on January 1st, 1970.

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                      Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                      @nixCraft nail on the head: it shouldn't. Full stop. Don't add this dreck to the OS. "Can't use this distribution in X, Y, and Z." Done.

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        For those who don't know Meta is behind this OS level age verification stuff so they don't have to implement it within their own apps, like IG, FB, and WhatsApp. They are a truly evil mega corp out there that is pushing this and lobbying for things like age verification, ID verification, and KYC at OS level. They spent so far 2 billion dollars to make this legal thing. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html

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                        @nixCraft We are much better off having OS vendors provide age verification than having every app do it. They would all outsource it to Meta or someone similar. We would end up having to maintain accounts with the verifier, giving them all the data, and depending on them to use our apps.

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                          Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                          @nixCraft https://hachyderm.io/@cmdrmoto/116251690250028941

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                            Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                            @nixCraft "Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?"

                            systemd wants this deal with everything. No surprise they want to be part of the "solution" to this user privacy nightmare.

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                              Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                              @nixCraft as everyone is hating systemd already, they implement this unpopular "feature" so other projects wouldnt spoil their reputation🤔

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                                Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                                @nixCraft Now I'm only waiting for jurisdictions which prohibit storing such information and OSes must guarantee they can't!

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                                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                  Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                                  Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                                  @nixCraft 01.01.1970, what else?

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc. userdb: add birthDate field to JSON user records https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

                                    Why systemd is dealing with age verification stuff?

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                                    @nixCraft
                                    I will promptly apply any patch that disable it!

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