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Weekend at Bernie's - Which of your dependencies are wearing sunglasses?

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  • andrewnez@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Weekend at Bernie's - Which of your dependencies are wearing sunglasses?

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      @andrewnez I had a bot write skip-trace to try to track down who in the real world owns a package. A lot of the package repos
      - don't care who owns the package
      - want to protect privacy

      Is Mr Anonymous dead? How can you know anything about someone you know nothing about?

      #Pypi provides no messaging system itself. But does have a package takeover process that depends on messaging!

      Client Challenge

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        @andrewnez could I get access to the list of dead critical repos in the Cargo ecosystem (ideally in order of criticality)? Seems very relevant to my RustSec work.

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          @andrewnez @bagder Maybe worth observing that there are mature language ecosystems (clojure, elixir) where folk are culturally quite careful about dependencies, and often times a package not being changed for years is a sign not of abandonment, but that the package is finished.

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            @andrewnez @bagder Maybe worth observing that there are mature language ecosystems (clojure, elixir) where folk are culturally quite careful about dependencies, and often times a package not being changed for years is a sign not of abandonment, but that the package is finished.

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            @donaldball @bagder if you read the post you’ll see that I definitely consider that, it’s about how responsive the maintainers are, not just how often they are committing/releasing

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              @andrewnez That's a nice conundrum:

              Declare a tight version range and get hit by vulnerabilities because new versions are not downloaded;

              Or accept (patch) updates and get hit because a vulnerable update is downloaded (f.e. due to a supply chain attack).

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                The code I used to collect and query this data from @ecosystems is here: https://github.com/andrew/weekend-at-bernies

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