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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

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  • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

    I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

    I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

    Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

    Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

    Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

    So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

    So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

    This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

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    @SamanthaJaneSmith "The only way humans can possibly go [much further than Mars] is through a scientific breakthrough."

    I think it's best done without scientific breakthroughs, but it does require serious investment in straightforward science and technology progress.

    We need long term physiological data on low gee exposure - a spin gravity station in LEO could provide this.

    We also need ISRU of propellant, at which point chemical rocket propulsion is both optimal and sustainable.

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    • isaackuo@spacey.spaceI isaackuo@spacey.space

      @SamanthaJaneSmith "The only way humans can possibly go [much further than Mars] is through a scientific breakthrough."

      I think it's best done without scientific breakthroughs, but it does require serious investment in straightforward science and technology progress.

      We need long term physiological data on low gee exposure - a spin gravity station in LEO could provide this.

      We also need ISRU of propellant, at which point chemical rocket propulsion is both optimal and sustainable.

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      @SamanthaJaneSmith Neither of these requires a scientific breakthrough, but rather a serious long term investment in straightforward scientific research and technological development.

      Not "throw money at the billionaires that bribe their way into the trough," of course.

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      • 10tothe22@mastodon.social1 10tothe22@mastodon.social

        @SamanthaJaneSmith A silver-ish lining for me, is that many younger people were awed by the launch and engineering feat of Artemis 2. They will be in positions of power long after Trump meets maker and thus, will have a chance to better the world through scientific advancement.

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        #50

        @10tothe22 True but we entering an era of non-truth and while Trump will be dead many of the tech bros won't.

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        • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

          I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

          I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

          Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

          Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

          Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

          So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

          So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

          This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

          brotherpsyche@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @SamanthaJaneSmith definitely in line with the sentiment, also hoping the astronauts get back to their families

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          • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

            I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

            I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

            Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

            Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

            Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

            So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

            So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

            This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

            jodmentum@apobangpo.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            @SamanthaJaneSmith “I can't pay no doctor bills
            But Whitey's on the moon
            Ten years from now I'll be paying still
            While Whitey's on the moon.”

            Gil Scott-Heron approved

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            • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

              I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

              I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

              Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

              Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

              Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

              So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

              So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

              This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

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              @SamanthaJaneSmith I recently wrote an article for my blog that happened to focus on NASA in 1989 when agency officials talked about establishing a permanent moon base no later than 2020 and putting humans on Mars by 2030. Even then, it was clear this was based on unrealistic expectations of long-term government funding. And that was with a White House and Congress not openly hostile to science.

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              • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                @woozle For me, the ISS is also a symbol that humankind could much better cooperate on earth. When astronauts of "enemy' states can live and work together in such a small room, we could also live in peace on earth.
                My dream is still that spaceflights become a global cooperation (yes, I watched the very first Star Trek and the first moon landing live.)
                @SamanthaJaneSmith @paranoiapen

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                @NatureMC

                More space exploration, more science, more caring and empathy.

                Less bombs and stupidity.

                (I was too young for Trek's first run, but I do remember the moon landing. One of the good things my dad did...)

                @SamanthaJaneSmith @paranoiapen

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                • urwumpe@hessen.socialU urwumpe@hessen.social

                  @SamanthaJaneSmith which technology are we rediscovering? Did the Orion spacecraft fly in 1969? Did most people at NASA, that work on Artemis, already work on Apollo ? Or even one? Yes, the mission does superficially that Apollo 13 already did. But it does that with a new spacecraft on a new launcher with lots of new technologies, intentionally and planned, more safely than ever.

                  I am more angry for killing Gateway. That was a bad decision to please guys that badly need phallic spacecraft...

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                  @urwumpe @SamanthaJaneSmith Indeed, it's not the same technology we had before, and most of that technology (like Saturn V) is lost and not reproducible anyway. This is still progress, even if you refuse to acknowledge it as such.

                  It will only be wasted effort if we stop here (again) instead of building on it further.

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                  • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

                    I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

                    I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

                    Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

                    Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

                    Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

                    So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

                    So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

                    This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

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                    @SamanthaJaneSmith

                    Thank you for saying that. The money could have been used for grants like curing cancer or Alzheimer’s. Feeding the poor. Housing people. I could go on…

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                    • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

                      I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.

                      I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.

                      Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.

                      Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.

                      Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.

                      So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.

                      So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.

                      This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.

                      menakd@gardenstate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @SamanthaJaneSmith I had a hard time justifying this in my mind, but talking to my Gen Z son, he pointed out that the cost for this is minuscule compared to the DoD budget, and he sees this as a way to get young scientists and engineers excited about the future that generally looks pretty bleak. I’d love to see the defense budget slashed (but still pay all the military families a good wage) and fund NASA which has the ability through research to truly make the world better.

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