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  3. Back on this, Systems Thinking- specifically Systems Dynamics - is what MIT scientists used to model planetary resource depletion in "The Limits to Growth in 1972.

Back on this, Systems Thinking- specifically Systems Dynamics - is what MIT scientists used to model planetary resource depletion in "The Limits to Growth in 1972.

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    RE: https://social.openrightsgroup.org/@jim/116195732635050143

    Back on this, Systems Thinking- specifically Systems Dynamics - is what MIT scientists used to model planetary resource depletion in "The Limits to Growth in 1972. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

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      RE: https://social.openrightsgroup.org/@jim/116195732635050143

      Back on this, Systems Thinking- specifically Systems Dynamics - is what MIT scientists used to model planetary resource depletion in "The Limits to Growth in 1972. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

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      Systems Thinking is important because you can tackle complex and entrenched problems; System Dynamics focuses on feedback loops and interrelationships, to understand what interventions may do.

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        Systems Thinking is important because you can tackle complex and entrenched problems; System Dynamics focuses on feedback loops and interrelationships, to understand what interventions may do.

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        Turns out that the civil service in the UK have become interested in using Systems Thinking and have wrote various manuals to promote it in policy analysis. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/systems-thinking-for-civil-servants/toolkit

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          Turns out that the civil service in the UK have become interested in using Systems Thinking and have wrote various manuals to promote it in policy analysis. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/systems-thinking-for-civil-servants/toolkit

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          @jim sounds like something one of my old bosses would have gone to a motivational seminar on and come back as a total zealot for. Probably what has happened here.

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          • jim@social.openrightsgroup.orgJ jim@social.openrightsgroup.org

            Turns out that the civil service in the UK have become interested in using Systems Thinking and have wrote various manuals to promote it in policy analysis. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/systems-thinking-for-civil-servants/toolkit

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            This is very interesting regarding #SafetyByDesign and #Tech policy as a whole. Because what most Internet and Tech Policy people are saying generally amounts to "It is complicated!" "This will have unintended consequences".

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            • jim@social.openrightsgroup.orgJ jim@social.openrightsgroup.org

              This is very interesting regarding #SafetyByDesign and #Tech policy as a whole. Because what most Internet and Tech Policy people are saying generally amounts to "It is complicated!" "This will have unintended consequences".

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              There are various kinds of Systems theories. Systems Dynamics is just one of them. What they have in common is looking at the whole system, not focusing in on single components of it.

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              • jim@social.openrightsgroup.orgJ jim@social.openrightsgroup.org

                There are various kinds of Systems theories. Systems Dynamics is just one of them. What they have in common is looking at the whole system, not focusing in on single components of it.

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                What Internet policy generally amounts to is "here I have a hammer" so "everything is a nail". Such as #AgeVerification right now. "Finally! We can solve the problem!" While a systems analysis will tell you that AV leaves the problem (attention ad markets) entirely intacts.

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                  @jim sounds like something one of my old bosses would have gone to a motivational seminar on and come back as a total zealot for. Probably what has happened here.

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                  @ret A bit; they've grabbed at one theory widely used in the health sector (Systems Dynamics). And added some power mapping tools, presumably for political context.

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                  • jim@social.openrightsgroup.orgJ jim@social.openrightsgroup.org

                    What Internet policy generally amounts to is "here I have a hammer" so "everything is a nail". Such as #AgeVerification right now. "Finally! We can solve the problem!" While a systems analysis will tell you that AV leaves the problem (attention ad markets) entirely intacts.

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                    I would get excited about the civil service's interest except that I see little actual sign of systems thinking in the work that comes out of government. Worse, they are usually a big part of the problematic feedback loops

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                    • jim@social.openrightsgroup.orgJ jim@social.openrightsgroup.org

                      I would get excited about the civil service's interest except that I see little actual sign of systems thinking in the work that comes out of government. Worse, they are usually a big part of the problematic feedback loops

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                      For example, crime.

                      Crime rises. Government joins demands for punishment of crimes.

                      More people go to prison, for longer times.

                      When they are released, they commit more crimes.

                      The Government pursues popularity by demanding more punishments because crime is rising.

                      That's a "feedback loop".

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