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  3. For years the awkward entente between civil libertarian Free Software types and illiberal Open Source advocates has more or less worked out.

For years the awkward entente between civil libertarian Free Software types and illiberal Open Source advocates has more or less worked out.

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  • tfb@functional.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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    For years the awkward entente between civil libertarian Free Software types and illiberal Open Source advocates has more or less worked out.

    It's clear that this entente has broken down. These people advocating compliance with identity tracking and censorship regimes, where would they have stood in relation to PGP, GPG, the Clipper chip, DVDs, and all the other fights for civil liberties the Free Software movement engaged in decades ago? With their positions today, they'd have been on the other side.

    We must not accommodate them. This is not a time for compromise, it's a time for principled stands.

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      For years the awkward entente between civil libertarian Free Software types and illiberal Open Source advocates has more or less worked out.

      It's clear that this entente has broken down. These people advocating compliance with identity tracking and censorship regimes, where would they have stood in relation to PGP, GPG, the Clipper chip, DVDs, and all the other fights for civil liberties the Free Software movement engaged in decades ago? With their positions today, they'd have been on the other side.

      We must not accommodate them. This is not a time for compromise, it's a time for principled stands.

      tfb@functional.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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      The two groups I named are not the only ones in FLOSS of course. But they are the two who are fundamentally coming into conflict at the moment. And I'm addressing this to other civil libertarian minded Free Software folks.

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        For years the awkward entente between civil libertarian Free Software types and illiberal Open Source advocates has more or less worked out.

        It's clear that this entente has broken down. These people advocating compliance with identity tracking and censorship regimes, where would they have stood in relation to PGP, GPG, the Clipper chip, DVDs, and all the other fights for civil liberties the Free Software movement engaged in decades ago? With their positions today, they'd have been on the other side.

        We must not accommodate them. This is not a time for compromise, it's a time for principled stands.

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        @tfb@functional.cafe if what you are claiming is libertarians are seeking to impose these age controls, then I think you are mistaken. Actual libertarians wouldn't lobby for government-backed age and identity verification mechanisms. They are just fascists, plain and simple.

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          @tfb@functional.cafe if what you are claiming is libertarians are seeking to impose these age controls, then I think you are mistaken. Actual libertarians wouldn't lobby for government-backed age and identity verification mechanisms. They are just fascists, plain and simple.

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          @ulveon try again, maybe read what I actually wrote. "civil libertarian" vs "illiberal"

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            @ulveon try again, maybe read what I actually wrote. "civil libertarian" vs "illiberal"

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            @tfb@functional.cafe I read what you wrote.

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              @tfb@functional.cafe I read what you wrote.

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              @ulveon I didn't write anything about libertarians, so I don't know what the hell you think you're talking about

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