Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes israel is already so good at murder and child killing and terroizing humanity at scale, we would they need us?
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes it’s quite different, I agree. They spent quite a while putting up a facade that it was necessary and legitimate. Trump doesn’t give a shit, and they don’t believe they’ll ever face anything resembling a consequence.
It was wrong then and it’s wrong now, but Bush and co. at least pretended it was right and that they believed that it was. Trump is just a petty mob boss doing whatever the fuck he wants until someone stops him. And I’m not optimistic that’s going to happen.
This timeline sucks. 0/10, do not recommend.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes Your conclusion - they can’t sell dead troops - is spot on IMO. You probably remember Dick Cheney and W and Condi Rice et al lying about the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction people went along that idea. They’re done with that shit. With Iran now, everyone knows there is no threat to the US. Vietnam is the lesson that the MAGA GOP ignores. Family members killed or fleeing. Fighting a war without popular support is a fool’s errand
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes the war on Iraq followed a very vivid attack on the US, even if the attack didn't come from Iraq. The war on Iran follows Trump's whims.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes Honestly feels a lot more like Desert Storm than the Iraq invasion. Back then I would have thought that restoring the Kuwaiti monarchy to power would have been a hard sell politically, but the power of a constant drumbeat of war propaganda surprised me.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes One note of caution, if you're comparing the public mood about Iraq from the US to the mood about Iran from Australia around Iran.
Across the political spectrum, the general public in Australia is usually a lot more sceptical of US foreign policy and military intervention than our political class.
Australia's political leaders, in both major parties, have never seen a US-led regime change they didn't immediately sign up for. Even when the public isn't fully on board (which is often).
I remember in the US there was a lot of jingoism in the lead up to the Iraq invasion about "supporting our troops" and hanging a flag in your window.
The public mood in Australia in the lead up to Iraq, meanwhile, was more cynical about Dubya and his claims of weapons of mass destruction.
So if you're comparing the general public mood and your colleagues reacted or the small talk in the local café in the US about war, to the general mood in Melbourne, there's likely to be a difference on that front. -
Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes I wouldn't say everyone. Was protesting it back then. Wish I didn't have to make a new "no blood for oil" poster.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
Here's the TL;DR for the Iran War:
Remember Afghanistan's terrain, all those mountains? And remember Iraq's flypecked deserts?
That's Iran.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes Arguably the go-along-to-get-along and the horrid Patriot Act resulting is a huge contributor to a US President being this outrageous.
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes @mikey I’d like to be formally included in the untyped asterisk after “everyone”. My friends and I said that day, here comes a big excuse to not live up to what they call “Christian values”
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes it is pretty clear that Israel is the boss of the US rn
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@hacks4pancakes israel is already so good at murder and child killing and terroizing humanity at scale, we would they need us?
@brotherpsyche Cover
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes No stomping on Dixie Chix albums that's for sure. Have you seen what happened in Iraq? They attacked the US embassy. This decision has sparked outrage across middle east. India is protesting now too. Lebanon joined the fight.
Worse decision the US made since Vietnam or should I say pushed into from frigging Israel.
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@hacks4pancakes Your conclusion - they can’t sell dead troops - is spot on IMO. You probably remember Dick Cheney and W and Condi Rice et al lying about the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction people went along that idea. They’re done with that shit. With Iran now, everyone knows there is no threat to the US. Vietnam is the lesson that the MAGA GOP ignores. Family members killed or fleeing. Fighting a war without popular support is a fool’s errand
@lawyersgunsnmoney @hacks4pancakes Iraq having weapons of mass destruction was the result of Israeli intelligence lying to the US government but they control the media and US could not publicly acknowledge that truth.
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@hacks4pancakes One note of caution, if you're comparing the public mood about Iraq from the US to the mood about Iran from Australia around Iran.
Across the political spectrum, the general public in Australia is usually a lot more sceptical of US foreign policy and military intervention than our political class.
Australia's political leaders, in both major parties, have never seen a US-led regime change they didn't immediately sign up for. Even when the public isn't fully on board (which is often).
I remember in the US there was a lot of jingoism in the lead up to the Iraq invasion about "supporting our troops" and hanging a flag in your window.
The public mood in Australia in the lead up to Iraq, meanwhile, was more cynical about Dubya and his claims of weapons of mass destruction.
So if you're comparing the general public mood and your colleagues reacted or the small talk in the local café in the US about war, to the general mood in Melbourne, there's likely to be a difference on that front.@aj to clarify I’m talking about America. Unfortunately the only sentiment I’ve seen in Melbourne in the last 24 hours is people loudly celebrating the attack at Central
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes this feels like a conflation of Afghanistan and Iraq. There was international consensus that the Taliban needed addressing. There was much resistance to Iraq action.
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@hacks4pancakes the warmongers obsessed with doomsday prophecy should be the ones to get into the fucking robot if they want to start the Third Impact and bring about the Human Instrumentality Project
@xan @hacks4pancakes it's an odd justaposition of fear and zealocy. The farther down the MAGAt rabbit hole you get the more for Israel you get while simultaneously becoming antisemitic. Yet somehow, they manage the dissonance.
In my experience it's a lot of evangelical "enemy of my enemy" rationalization narritives mixed with generous servings of rapture Jeebus superiority.
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More than that, Trump promised that he was a peace president, that he would keep America out of foreign wars. Now he's taken out two heads of state in two months. Some lies can't be contained.
@bruce @hacks4pancakes that's because #Trump always has been a #UsefulIdiot.
- Besides, he'd do whatever it takes to distract from the #EpsteinFiles, and since when did any #POTUS ever face #Accountability or #Consequences?
- They'd rather bomb the #ICC than allow #justice!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
#USpol #Trump #Fascism #Imperialism #Neoimperialism #USA #Iran #War #ASPA
- Besides, he'd do whatever it takes to distract from the #EpsteinFiles, and since when did any #POTUS ever face #Accountability or #Consequences?
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes If everyone was in for Iraq in 2003, what were all the protests about?
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Feels different than Iraq. In 2001-03 everyone was in for whatever and it was blasphemy to say the war was unjust or ill advised. Everyone was ready to enlist.
People don’t want to die for Israel and they don’t want their kids to. Even the die hard MAGA aren’t into it. They can’t sell dead troops.
@hacks4pancakes
One of my wife's coworker just spent a year working two jobs and couch surfing while she sub-let her apartment - all to pay for her dad's cancer treatment and to pay her family's bills. He passed away two months ago.
She got word today her boyfriend was told to expect deployment.
