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The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay.

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  • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

    The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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    @kenshirriff Awesome article, thanks!

    I saw 2 #Spacelab units in person (one in EADS museum, one in Dornier museum).

    They were the European contribution to the Shuttle program, and esp. German "payment" for sending Astronaut Ulf Merbold to the STS-9 "Spacelab 1" mission as well as getting their own missions, STS-61a "Spacelab D1" and STS-55 "Spacelab D2". (But it flew many more times than just these.)

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    • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

      @kenshirriff

      Interesting coincidence: On Thursday in datamuseum.dk I started scanning documents relating to programming for SpaceLab computers.

      I hope to have them online next weekend.

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      @bsdphk Those documents should be very interesting. Do the documents describe programming the Spacelab computers in assembly, HAL/S, or something else?

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      • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

        The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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        @kenshirriff Honestly, even with the bodge wires, this looks really clean for what it was and what it was meant to do.

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        • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

          The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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          @kenshirriff Thank You for sharing!

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          • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

            The boards need a lot of chips because a chip didn't do much back then. Even the ALU chips had just 170 transistors. Multiplexers (mux) select which inputs to add, registers hold temporary values, and logic gates (NAND, inverters) tie things together.

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            @kenshirriff NAND-GATE not -flash-memory. Younger people might only know the last one.

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            • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

              The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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              @kenshirriff Fun fact: That's me in front of the Spacelab exhibit on Airbus' Bremen site back in 2012. We won an exclusive guided tour by a German Astronaut instructor (whose name I forgot)

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              • hennichodernich@radiosocial.deH hennichodernich@radiosocial.de

                @kenshirriff Fun fact: That's me in front of the Spacelab exhibit on Airbus' Bremen site back in 2012. We won an exclusive guided tour by a German Astronaut instructor (whose name I forgot)

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                @kenshirriff here we are in ESA's backup operation center watching live video and audio from an ISS spacewalk

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                • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                  For more on the Spacelab computer, see my latest article: https://www.righto.com/2026/05/reverse-engineering-spacelab-computer.html

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                  @kenshirriff amazing article, thanks. I found in particular very interesting your views about the failure of the Plan calcul.

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                    @LukefromDC @kenshirriff You’d expect space tech to be fancy, but I think it takes ages to certify tech for such applications, so it is actually quite old?

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                    • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                      The boards need a lot of chips because a chip didn't do much back then. Even the ALU chips had just 170 transistors. Multiplexers (mux) select which inputs to add, registers hold temporary values, and logic gates (NAND, inverters) tie things together.

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                      @kenshirriff TTL? Or...?
                      I tried blowing up and sharpening that image but I still can't make out the numbers on those chips, alas. I still suspect TTL.
                      Edited to add that I blew up a different set of your pics with better results, and what threw me is that these are 77 series chips rather than 74 series, but I'm guessing that's because it's special MILspec for those; the 7714 is clearly equivalent to 7414, and none of those are post-LS technology.
                      Yep--TTL.
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                      • bouriquet@mastodon.socialB bouriquet@mastodon.social

                        @kenshirriff I recall an electrical engineering professor back in the late 1970s who said the way to invent the better mousetrap was to figure out how to put one megabit of memory on a single chip.
                        His version of the Holy Grail.

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                        @kenshirriff After graduation I had a job where I did some testing on a particular IBM machine that had 4K RAM modules, each about the size of a small toaster with tiny ferrite cores and orthogonal wires inside. That made the Holy Grail seem unattainable.

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                        • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                          @bsdphk Those documents should be very interesting. Do the documents describe programming the Spacelab computers in assembly, HAL/S, or something else?

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                          @kenshirriff

                          I think it is high-level block-diagrams mostly, but I didn't bring the files home, so you'll have to wait until thursday 🙂

                          One of them was a ~20mm thick description of the overall SpaceLab concept.

                          There's also a binder which may be ass'y manual.

                          As far as I can tell from contemporary news reporting, KampSax & CR were responsible for software for ground checkout, "an interpreter" and a "data reduction system.

                          Train your Danish on: https://danmarkshistorien.ing.dk/titles/ingarkiv/7678/publications/9400/pages/16

                          (Bottom 3rd col.)

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                          • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                            The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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                            @kenshirriff If you ever heard the term "electronics porn" that's IT ! I am actually drooling over such pictures of that HW 🥰 🥰 😅 😎 "This is how computers should be made" "able to stand a launch in Space" no fancy smancy LEDs on ram modules or fans with coloured spinning blades of funkopops things close to the CPU and the GPU with a logo shown like if it'd be "Armani" 🙄 THIS in the pic is "the HW that makes me dream" 😊 I dream one day to actually build something like this !

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                            • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                              Around 1991, the Spacelabe computers were upgraded, replacing the French Mitra 125 MS computers with more powerful IBM-made AP-101SL computers. The new computers still used simple ICs, but the "flat-pack" ICs were packed more densely. They also used semiconductor memory instead of magnetic core.

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                              @kenshirriff I suppose if you make them a lot smaller, they suffer more from radiation.
                              But now there are laptops on the #ISS.

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                              • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                                The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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                                @kenshirriff So cool! Thanks for sharing

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                                • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                                  The boards need a lot of chips because a chip didn't do much back then. Even the ALU chips had just 170 transistors. Multiplexers (mux) select which inputs to add, registers hold temporary values, and logic gates (NAND, inverters) tie things together.

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                                  @kenshirriff I've been studying these old ALU chips, as a way to teach myself about computer hardware design. 170 transistors is an amazing feat of engineering.

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                                  • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                                    The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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                                    @kenshirriff Compagnie d'informatique militaire spatiale et aéronautique - didn't know about this one (whence it came, what it became)

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                                    • kenshirriff@oldbytes.spaceK kenshirriff@oldbytes.space

                                      The Space Shuttle could hold a flying laboratory called Spacelab in its cargo bay. Three French-made computers ran Spacelab. I opened up a Spacelab computer and found that instead of a microprocessor, it is built from a multitude of simple chips. Let's take a closer look at the computer...

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                                      哇,能亲眼看到Spacelab计算机的内部结构真是难得。用那么多简单芯片而不是微处理器来构建整台电脑,那个时代的设计思路还挺特别的。

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                                        @LukefromDC @sandorspruit @kenshirriff Wrong : you can do an Apollo13 fixup if you have the guts to do so

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                                        • bouriquet@mastodon.socialB bouriquet@mastodon.social

                                          @kenshirriff I recall an electrical engineering professor back in the late 1970s who said the way to invent the better mousetrap was to figure out how to put one megabit of memory on a single chip.
                                          His version of the Holy Grail.

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                                          @bouriquet @kenshirriff Im old enough to remember the days when memory may be carried by a delay line. More fun then to data process.

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