I like @delta but user experience is far from the one it should because it’s not, and it doesn’t feels native on any platform.

[pancake@infosec.exchange]

I like @delta but user experience is far from the one it should because it’s not, and it doesn’t feels native on any platform. Maybe Swift would be the best option here, considering it works on all platforms and SwiftUI is native on Apple and there’s SwiftGTK

[delta@chaos.social]

@pancake delta chat doesn't feel native on Android and iOS for you? Or do you mean desktop platforms?

[feld@friedcheese.us]

@pancake @delta the core is just a JSON-RPC service with a very approachable API. All you have to focus on really is the UI. If you have the time/skills/interest in pursuing such an experiment the hard parts (backend/crypto/protocols) are already done for you.

[pancake@infosec.exchange]

@delta correct, on iOS, the app is not using the iOS26 liquid glass widgets and the icons, animations, etc.. look clunky, i don't use Android, but i can say similar things about gnome and macos ux

[pancake@infosec.exchange]

@feld yep i know, i have already contributed to delta. but i already maintain tons of opensource projects and i don't wanna put more job in my table

[feld@friedcheese.us]

@pancake this is one of those situations where I think there should be a competition. One week, build a new client around the core. Best submission wins $1000 or something. Don't care if you vibe code most of it, just make something.

[delta@chaos.social]

@pancake wasn't liquid glass only introduced last year from apple?

[feld@friedcheese.us]

@delta @pancake yeah but remember the "premium" apps all get updated to the latest iOS standards quickly after WWDC, tested on the iOS betas, and ready in the app store the instant the new major iOS release happens.


honestly that sounds like torture to me because of how much Apple changes every major update

[pancake@infosec.exchange]

@delta around 80% of apple users are running iOS26 according to official numbers, the update adoption rate on Apple platforms is way higher than on Android and i assume that's in part a reason to force app developers to use Swift instead of third party frameworks