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A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

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  • curmudgeon@sfba.socialC curmudgeon@sfba.social

    @_elena Yeah, I'm not happy about Nazi's, racists, etc. on Substack, but they also have Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance, and other fine progressives - some of the most important Antifa voices of this generation. I'll pass on the boycott. Let others see what Andrew Tate is all about. That's what we call free speech.

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    @Curmudgeon @_elena

    The problem with this argument is that revenue earned by Substack is disproportionately used to support fascist ideology. So these great accounts are actually funding fascism, as is anyone who subscribes to them. That's not free speech, it's a failure to muster the courage of their convictions.

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    • torithom@theforkiverse.comT torithom@theforkiverse.com

      @hamishcampbell the thing I am curious about though is companies starting off as nice and then changing into #dotcons when they get bigger as people flock there when boycotting another platform that isn't nice anymore. What's the best protection against this never ending situation which potentially disperses and weakens communities?

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      #45

      @Torithom

      @hamishcampbell self host

      #dotcons

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

        We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

        No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

        There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

        sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #46

        @_elena someone much wiser than myself once said https://infosec.exchange/@catsalad/116456782686227334

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

          We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

          No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

          There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

          pheonix@hachyderm.ioP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #47

          @_elena I didn't know substack platforms human traffickers, misogynists and xenophobes.

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          • trixiemaina@mstdn.socialT trixiemaina@mstdn.social

            @_elena idk but for me substack have been my go to go app .. depends what u are into though.. check the link on my profile maybe

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            #48

            @Trixiemaina @_elena
            Enjoy your "go to app".
            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
            https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/feb/07/revealed-how-substack-makes-money-from-hosting-nazi-newsletters

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

              We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

              No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

              There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

              veronica@explains.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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              #49

              @_elena I've noticed a lot of folks have no idea what "Substack" is. They see a newsletter. It has information they agree with. They sign up. They don't think about it beyond that.

              Basically, if we want to take a bite out of the SS, I think we need to educate folks on what the uniform looks like.

              IMO that has to go hand-in-hand with reaching out to writers in our lives and encouraging them to look at alternatives.

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              • clintruin@mastodon.socialC clintruin@mastodon.social

                @Trixiemaina @_elena
                Enjoy your "go to app".
                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
                https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/feb/07/revealed-how-substack-makes-money-from-hosting-nazi-newsletters

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                #50

                @clintruin @_elena ok

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                  We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                  No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                  There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                  vanzick@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #51

                  @_elena I believe there’s space for anyone in the world to express their ideas, in Tate’s case the space inside a rubbish bin. Any respectable platform would never accept to profit from his disgusting and harmful propaganda, but then again Substack is not a respectable one.

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                  • pheonix@hachyderm.ioP pheonix@hachyderm.io

                    @_elena I didn't know substack platforms human traffickers, misogynists and xenophobes.

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                    #52

                    @_elena @pheonix and literal nazi with swastica on their page.

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                    • veronica@explains.socialV veronica@explains.social

                      @_elena I've noticed a lot of folks have no idea what "Substack" is. They see a newsletter. It has information they agree with. They sign up. They don't think about it beyond that.

                      Basically, if we want to take a bite out of the SS, I think we need to educate folks on what the uniform looks like.

                      IMO that has to go hand-in-hand with reaching out to writers in our lives and encouraging them to look at alternatives.

                      geraldew@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #53

                      @veronica @_elena I also suspect those writers have no idea how many of us see that their content is on Substack and simply don't go there.

                      Admittedly, I also have no idea how many of us are doing that - i.e. not reading them.

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                      • codebuzz@indieweb.socialC codebuzz@indieweb.social

                        @_elena @jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

                        Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

                        So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

                        Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

                        Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

                        Just saying.

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                        #54

                        @codebuzz @_elena @jwildeboer One user and all the neo-Nazis. Remember them? The ones Substack refuses to remove?

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                        • codebuzz@indieweb.socialC codebuzz@indieweb.social

                          @_elena @jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

                          Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

                          So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

                          Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

                          Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

                          Just saying.

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                          @codebuzz

                          We have only one planet, but there are lots of blogging sites. That's where your comparison breaks down.

                          And we cannot treat Nazism as an equal and valid viewpoint. We must reject it, and reject it hard.

                          @_elena @jwildeboer

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                            We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                            No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                            There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

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                            #56

                            @_elena here’s an alternative built by me https://lmno.lol my https://xenodium.com blog runs off that.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                              We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                              No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                              There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                              fatboy@fosstodon.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #57

                              @_elena Substack? More like subshit

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                              • curmudgeon@sfba.socialC curmudgeon@sfba.social

                                @_elena Yeah, I'm not happy about Nazi's, racists, etc. on Substack, but they also have Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance, and other fine progressives - some of the most important Antifa voices of this generation. I'll pass on the boycott. Let others see what Andrew Tate is all about. That's what we call free speech.

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                                #58

                                @Curmudgeon @_elena

                                "Rick Wilson, HCR, Joyce Vance"

                                We convince them to move

                                "That's what we call free speech"

                                Speech intended to limit the freedoms of those who are women, nonwhite, trans, gay, nonChristian, people with disabilities, etc is not free speech

                                How do you define speech against freedom as free speech?

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                                • synthyx@social.vivaldi.netS synthyx@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @_elena

                                  If I had a nickel for every time I see the word facist or nazi on mastodon or bluesky I could probably buy a new car. Can we stop throwing around the same two words??

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                                  @Synthyx @_elena

                                  the topic here is substack which platforms actual literal nazis. the swastika prominently shown. this whole "you use that word too much" is a weird hill to die on when dealing with genuine nazis my friend

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                    We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                    No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                    There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                                    sassinake@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #60

                                    @_elena

                                    @rbreich

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                                      We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                                      No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                                      There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

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                                      @_elena real shame so many journalists still use substack, but you do you. i'm purging myself of most news stuff. it's just too depressing and too stupid and it isn't helping my mental health at all

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                                      • codebuzz@indieweb.socialC codebuzz@indieweb.social

                                        @_elena @jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

                                        Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

                                        So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

                                        Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

                                        Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

                                        Just saying.

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                                        @codebuzz @_elena @jwildeboer it's not about one user, 'just saying' - JAQing off, more like. Don't do this.
                                        He's an example. Even if it were just him, why would you want to share a platform with a rapist?

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                                        • cubeexplorer@mastodon.socialC cubeexplorer@mastodon.social

                                          @_elena The line for me is between "free speech" and deliberately divisive "hate speech". The former we tolerate, even if we disagree, the latter should be subjected to the law or - where that fails - deliberate action to call it out and limit its spread. Especially when it's from sources already known to have committed crimes.

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                                          @cubeExplorer @_elena Liberalism has to defend itself but I think part of that is that it does have to allow, if not tolerate, deliberately divisive and even hateful speech.

                                          Group think is bad.

                                          I think Popper called out the line pretty well: when they advocate that we don't discuss differences but instead raise fist or sword. That's when...well...you do, and you get it done.

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