Allow me to introduce #MLL coding, the counterpart to #LLM vibe coding.

[bencotterill@mastodon.social]

@colin_mcmillen @Binder I’m re-learning how to code after about 20 years. Going right back to basics, even touch typing. This is part of the joy.
Seen loads of courses on how to vibe code. Don’t want that, “make pong in 30 seconds” NO!
Have seen tech bros argue that it’s the same as compiling stuff. Again no!
One is a direct conversion, the other is throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
What happened to the fun of making sprites bounce around the screen?

[mason@partychickens.net]

@colin_mcmillen I like that you're calling it a labour of love. There was a time just before the dot-com crash when EVERYONE was getting into programming because it was big money. Those of us in it for love looked on, aghast, as our field was overridden by people who only cared about money, making it all the harder to find work.

This feels like the next iteration of that time, only people learning how to program didn't cause them cognitive harm.

And that suggests that this might be cyclic. I wonder what the next one will be. If it's a quarter of a century away I plan to still be working in the industry. It's what I love.

[ache@social.lol]

@colin_mcmillen @aburka @FritzAdalis You were doing humain slopping. Nothing to do with MLL.

[cap_ybarra@beige.party]

@colin_mcmillen holy shit, i'd better learn this or i'll get left behind. time to make it my entire personality

[dauphin1@mastodon.social]

@colin_mcmillen I don't get why people militantly fight against llms and vibecoding.
Besides when was the last time anything manual won against automation?

[colin_mcmillen@piaille.fr]

@dauphin1 Because it enables fascism. https://blog.bgcarlisle.com/2025/05/16/a-plausible-scalable-and-slightly-wrong-black-box-why-large-language-models-are-a-fascist-technology-that-cannot-be-redeemed/

[voquileibbrandt@mastodon.social]

@dauphin1 @colin_mcmillen Last time was last art auction ?

[dauphin1@mastodon.social]

@VoquiLeibbrandt @colin_mcmillen
Not on that scale.
But OK, I guess you heard about it on you handwritten newspaper.

[voquileibbrandt@mastodon.social]

@dauphin1 @colin_mcmillen Sorry, my answer was generated by neuralink on top of an oyster

[futureisfoss@fosstodon.org]

@dauphin1 @colin_mcmillen

I don't think you understand what labor of love means, not everything is a competition which has to be won.

[shadsterling@mastodon.social]

@dauphin1 @colin_mcmillen there are a lot of reasons, none of which have anything to do with opposing automation. It’s more about making automations that are usable, intelligible, maintainable, efficient, and so on, along with limiting resource consumption of development to the use of a single computer, and maintaining at least the possibility of respecting the rights of programmers as workers. Doing the opposite of any of those things is harmful; LLMs do the opposite of all of them

[jetlagjen@gts.phillipsuk.org]

@mason @colin_mcmillen a quarter-century cycle sounds about right.

Wasn't it around the 70s that people realised there was a future in computers, men moved in, wages went up, and women (the original programmers because "it's like knitting patterns") were pushed out?