rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline Regardless of whether people are going to be *using* LLMs and agentic setups to write code, it still doesn’t follow that the infrastructure they use to do so should *also* be similarly disrupted.
I think the main problem is that boring infrastructure companies aren’t fashionable or exciting, so their top management will always have a tendency to want to turn them into something they’re not and shouldn’t be.
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline "one platform, one data model, one governance system"
Don't really like how that is phrased, TBH.
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
I'm so sick of that "we need to move fast" mentallity. Why would we need that? What's the point? If anything I want (need!) a slower world.
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@jacqueline so lemme get this right: GitHub is currently collapsing under the weight of slop (both the slop they themselves are shipping + all the repo's created in the slop factories) and the correct move from GitLab, the obvious main competitor, is to shoot themselves in the leg by doing the same thing and getting rid of people!?
My stupid simple mind cannot comprehend these levels of capitalistic brilliance.
@Skye @jacqueline
the absurdity of assumed superiority prevents actual intelligent questioning to da point of being suicidal, that king of da moon scene in Gilliam's "adventures of baron munchausen" over & over & over again ... -
@jacqueline every day I look for new ways to be left behind
@ansuz @jacqueline
equal lefts to all da rights, ... as long as there 's something left to live for, all be good ... -
rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline Wow, thrown away their key differentiator!
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@jacqueline to be honest, if you throw out all the AI marketing speech away, it's not even that bad of a plan. They're:
1. 10x-ing their infrastructure
2. Keeping engineering teams small and end-to-end responsible
3. Adding new APIs to explore the codebase
4. Improving authentication infrastructureI feel like there was an engineer behind that plan who was like, "yeah you can throw in agentic AI bullshit, but I'm building for humans"
@Igigog @jacqueline They sure will use AI for those changes, so, uptime and safety will suffer.
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Reading the meaty parts about how they'll 'operate going forward', and you get all you need to know in a few words...
"Our three new operating principles are:
Speed with Quality ... "
You never, ever get both. History is littered with companies that tried and failed.
"Ownership Mindset"
Really? Employees who own none of it should just act like they do, 'cause, ya know... Yeah, Team!
"Customer Outcomes"
They've already watched GitHub implode, so yeah, more of that, please!
@lumiworx also "Reduced operational footprint" makes it sound like "We'll fire people in less privileged countries that have fewer tech workers and double down on the ones where there are many people already"?
> We’re reducing our country footprint because operating in nearly 60 countries does not allow us to give every team member a great experience. We anticipate reducing the number of countries by 30% focused on geos where we have only a handful of people or fewer.
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline what i got from reading that article is that bill staples is to blame
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@mcv @jacqueline Please remember to donate, @Codeberg got to finance the upcoming exodus of actual developers to their platform somehow.
@Natanox alternative way to help out: I'm not in a position to donate, but I am in a position to selfhost and use other Forgejo installations. I think people who are able to do this could help out in that way too, because it'd reduce the load on Codeberg and free up space for people who really need it?
(But yes, do donate if you can, in addition or otherwise)
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@jacqueline@chaos.social gonna start calling this graph shape the "stupid AIgent Coder Banks" or "Samwise, but Stockfoolish", can't decide which yet
@kalviter @jacqueline We are at that point in the investor game where investors are correctly ignoring the AI nonsense and recognizing a failing company doing layoffs to try to fix their numbers
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@Natanox @mcv @jacqueline @Codeberg but don't donate too much - we don't want them to be able to afford AI features
jk
@placebo @Natanox @mcv @jacqueline @Codeberg if anything, I hope donations increase and people write guides on how to migrate to them.
I'm stuck at GitHub because I use a lot of their Actions for NPM deploying. NPM made it harder to deploy from Codeberg claiming "security reasons", reducing token durations a lot and providing an alternative authentication method which isn't compatible with Codeberg, so I will have to find another distribution platform for my projects. The best option I found until now is distributing using HTTP and Grebedoc, but it has lots of drawbacks.
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@jacqueline run you own @forgejo https://forgejo.org/ its been amazing for my projects. Data is owned and stored in our control. Changes happen when we dicide to make changes. Runs smoothly provide plenty of the benefits needed. I think all these moves away from improving the foundational products and solving the core value proposition will just push more people back to owning there own infra. Its much much cheaper.
@gabrielmarkley the whole ChatGPT situation made me feel happy about my decision to switch to GitLab back when GitHub was acquired by Microsoft all those years ago
And now this is making me feel good about my decision to ditch GitLab, too, in favour of Codeberg, Disroot's Forgejo instance, and other Forgejo's around the world
Looks like I'm somehow always a step ahead of the game
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@jacqueline 8 layers of management is pure madness, but the reduction of that is probably the only positive thing I can read out of this thing...
@jacqueline @phl It is probably demoting people in the hopes they leave before they fire them
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@andreas @jacqueline What I truly lack in understanding is what are they all using? We used gen AI since the beginning and yes it can definitely boost productivity but more in a way you can bounce your ideas of someone that sometimes says something useful and if that is your thing you are definitely faster now. But I have yet to see something from agentic or vibe coding that beats a 1. semester if the goal is not just it does something and you have any standards.
@mono @andreas @jacqueline If that's your thing you're suffering from psychosis, get help
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline Smacks of principals taking the money and running, while obvious collapses of numerous supportive #ecosystem disintegration comes to a head. If you have similar investments, get out while you can.
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@jacqueline so lemme get this right: GitHub is currently collapsing under the weight of slop (both the slop they themselves are shipping + all the repo's created in the slop factories) and the correct move from GitLab, the obvious main competitor, is to shoot themselves in the leg by doing the same thing and getting rid of people!?
My stupid simple mind cannot comprehend these levels of capitalistic brilliance.
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rip to gitlab, who have decided to destroy their entire business for no reason https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/
@jacqueline i wonder what it is that makes everyone step on this AI rake.
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@jacqueline "but, shareholders."
@emma @jacqueline stock almost 10% down since the announcement
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@lumiworx also "Reduced operational footprint" makes it sound like "We'll fire people in less privileged countries that have fewer tech workers and double down on the ones where there are many people already"?
> We’re reducing our country footprint because operating in nearly 60 countries does not allow us to give every team member a great experience. We anticipate reducing the number of countries by 30% focused on geos where we have only a handful of people or fewer.
Unraveling the corporate speak, it might be worse than just letting people go for some 'efficiency'.
'Reduced footprints' like they describe happen by shrinking what's costing them in more than just money, and in whichever locations they already perceive to be ineffective or have a known impediment to saying yes to this new strategy.
They expected pushback as they set this up and want to lop off the trouble spots and gain loyalty from fear of it happening to others.
