The way that I'm going to make NL's codeplatform entirely pink, to compensate for having to de-pink my house π₯²πΈ
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This is me manifesting moving out of Amsterdam btw. I don't know where to yet, as long as there is more nature, sun and a house with a garden.
VERY open to suggestions π«Ά
@Gina Donβt know much of NL, sadly, but fell in love with the coast northwest of Amsterdam and Texel. Tourists galore and hellish prices I guess, but beautiful?
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@interpipes not to hate on your country, but I feel like the UK is in a much more dire state than the Netherlands, with the cost of living crisis, deteriorating public services, and wealth inequality. I'd never consider moving there (even though the countryside looks beautiful).
> even though the countryside looks beautiful
It really is. Ruined castles, Neolithic sites, country walks, open fields, and just generally glorious.
But, yes, your broader point...
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@Gina hate on it all you want! I'm Swedish as far as I'm concerned. This place has lots of problems, and I'm just lucky not to be on the rough end of the economy. Being here without wealth would be absolutely miserable. But our particular corner is lovely and green and helps me cope with the rest.
@Gina This (London) isn't a liveable place for the majority. It's just a place for crooks to hide their wealth. Brexit was a means to an end for people like that.
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> even though the countryside looks beautiful
It really is. Ruined castles, Neolithic sites, country walks, open fields, and just generally glorious.
But, yes, your broader point...
@neil @Gina @interpipes FWIW, as a person living for 3.5 years in UK, then another 8 in NL, I'm still missing Yorkshire. But I wouldn't get back here. And UK being a TERF-island is just a cherry on top of all the other problems.
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"Okay, but why not just rent somewhere else in the Netherlands?"
I'm not joking when I say that there are no rentals in NL. There are a few other 2k shoebox apartments, but that's it. This is mostly due to disastrous housing policies by the previous governments and decades of barely building new housing.
To anecdotally add insult to injury, my current landlord is a pension fund. The Netherlands is a boomers paradise.
@Gina I havenβt regretted moving to Vienna in 2012.
Good public transport, bike routes, and general infrastructure, good food, good restaurants and so forth (not that I get out much with 3 kids but I try), good summer weather, excellent biking and mountains close by.
We live on the edge of Vienna and have the best of both worlds - open space and nature, a big climbing wall 15m away, water sports on the Danube, and all the arts that Vienna has.
I donβt know how it compares cost wise to NL ofc
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@Legit_Spaghetti that's literally my dilemma currently π₯²
This is where I'm at currently and I feel your pain
Put roots down somewhere affordable (therefore up North in the UK) and hope Reform don't get into power and climate change makes the weather up there tolerable, or find somewhere non-EU (thanks Brexit) that tolerates British people... or just blow everything on a boat and worry about it later
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This is me manifesting moving out of Amsterdam btw. I don't know where to yet, as long as there is more nature, sun and a house with a garden.
VERY open to suggestions π«Ά
@Gina Sun?
Well, I'd suggest Denmark. Jylland in particular has many small villages with (relatively) cheap houses and apartments.
But the Sun thing kind of spoils it. Yes, we do have lovely sunny days, like today for instance (or the entire week with the exception of yesterday) but we consider 20 Β°C to be a warm day, and 25 Β°C to be quite hot, and any warmer to approach unbearable
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The way that I'm going to make NL's codeplatform entirely pink, to compensate for having to de-pink my house π₯²
@Gina You moving out or in?
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This is me manifesting moving out of Amsterdam btw. I don't know where to yet, as long as there is more nature, sun and a house with a garden.
VERY open to suggestions π«Ά
@Gina
We like west Zaandam well enough. They've been building a lot of flats around the core, and last I checked they were even verging on affordable.Can still get a direct train to Amstel when I have the need to go to the office, but it is definitely a different pace while being close to Amsterdam.
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@Gina Sun?
Well, I'd suggest Denmark. Jylland in particular has many small villages with (relatively) cheap houses and apartments.
But the Sun thing kind of spoils it. Yes, we do have lovely sunny days, like today for instance (or the entire week with the exception of yesterday) but we consider 20 Β°C to be a warm day, and 25 Β°C to be quite hot, and any warmer to approach unbearable
@rasmus91 I feel like Denmark is a hipper version of the Netherlands. Same shit weather.
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@Gina You moving out or in?
@gh05t out, hopefully
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@Gina
We like west Zaandam well enough. They've been building a lot of flats around the core, and last I checked they were even verging on affordable.Can still get a direct train to Amstel when I have the need to go to the office, but it is definitely a different pace while being close to Amsterdam.
@xinit Zaandam is cute, I've considered buying a house there (would not want to live in a flat btw).
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"Okay, but why not just rent somewhere else in the Netherlands?"
I'm not joking when I say that there are no rentals in NL. There are a few other 2k shoebox apartments, but that's it. This is mostly due to disastrous housing policies by the previous governments and decades of barely building new housing.
To anecdotally add insult to injury, my current landlord is a pension fund. The Netherlands is a boomers paradise.
Kids, never paint a house that isn't yours.
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@gh05t out, hopefully
@Gina Aahh ok cool. How's everything going? It's been awhile.
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Kids, never paint a house that isn't yours.
@Gina Lol
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"Okay, but why not just rent somewhere else in the Netherlands?"
I'm not joking when I say that there are no rentals in NL. There are a few other 2k shoebox apartments, but that's it. This is mostly due to disastrous housing policies by the previous governments and decades of barely building new housing.
To anecdotally add insult to injury, my current landlord is a pension fund. The Netherlands is a boomers paradise.
@Gina
I had hoped that pension funds couldn't own properties like they did in North America. -
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Kids, never paint a house that isn't yours.
@Gina tempted to say we could trade for a while
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@rasmus91 I feel like Denmark is a hipper version of the Netherlands. Same shit weather.
@Gina as far as i know our whether is very much like it is in Scotland around Edinburgh. You can have a sunny day that just turns to rain and wind, and then decides on sunshine again.
We often joke we have 4 seasons: autumn, fall, winter and spring
But in all honesty i feel like we usually do have some brilliant summer and spring days. But it's all in what your tastes are of course. If what you want is really just lots of sun. Then there's no point in being in northern Europe
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Kids, never paint a house that isn't yours.
@Gina i also avoid drilling holes since covering them would probably require some painting.
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@xinit Zaandam is cute, I've considered buying a house there (would not want to live in a flat btw).
@Gina
We are on the far west side looking out over the polders. There's some older places in russicheburt and the like that are pretty nice, but old enough to be concerned about the foundations at our price range (β¬400k ish in 2023).
