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  • rahmstorf@fediscience.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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    Every responsible decision maker in politics, industry etc. should read this. Or better yet the original WMO report it’s about (linked in the article).
    And then think very seriously:
    What am I doing to stop this?
    Is it enough?
    How do I want to be remembered?

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    Earth being ‘pushed beyond its limits’ as energy imbalance reaches record high

    State of the Climate report finds Earth’s energy has moved dangerously out of balance, with oceans absorbing vast majority of trapped heat

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      Every responsible decision maker in politics, industry etc. should read this. Or better yet the original WMO report it’s about (linked in the article).
      And then think very seriously:
      What am I doing to stop this?
      Is it enough?
      How do I want to be remembered?

      Link Preview Image
      Earth being ‘pushed beyond its limits’ as energy imbalance reaches record high

      State of the Climate report finds Earth’s energy has moved dangerously out of balance, with oceans absorbing vast majority of trapped heat

      favicon

      the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

      rahmstorf@fediscience.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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      A note about the fact that 91% of the energy warming the Earth is taken up by the oceans and only 1% by the atmosphere: that simply is because the heat capacity of water is so much larger than that of air, so it takes far more energy to warm the oceans. Temperature is rising less in the oceans than in the atmosphere, and mostly in the upper layers.

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        A note about the fact that 91% of the energy warming the Earth is taken up by the oceans and only 1% by the atmosphere: that simply is because the heat capacity of water is so much larger than that of air, so it takes far more energy to warm the oceans. Temperature is rising less in the oceans than in the atmosphere, and mostly in the upper layers.

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        @rahmstorf Probably very naive and unscientific question:
        Could the global warming possibly trigger a stronger water exchange in the oceans?
        Meaning: Could the stronger heating of the upper layers cause a stronger exchange with the lower levels due to some effect that I do not know about/understand or will the layers stay pretty much segregated?

        Background: That could have (at least) 2 effects:
        1. Devastating warming of lower levels in the oceans
        2. Slowing the climate change

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          @rahmstorf Probably very naive and unscientific question:
          Could the global warming possibly trigger a stronger water exchange in the oceans?
          Meaning: Could the stronger heating of the upper layers cause a stronger exchange with the lower levels due to some effect that I do not know about/understand or will the layers stay pretty much segregated?

          Background: That could have (at least) 2 effects:
          1. Devastating warming of lower levels in the oceans
          2. Slowing the climate change

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          @thoralf @rahmstorf In that direction I'd also love to know whether watching deeper layers could increase sea level rise through additional dilation.

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          • rahmstorf@fediscience.orgR rahmstorf@fediscience.org

            Every responsible decision maker in politics, industry etc. should read this. Or better yet the original WMO report it’s about (linked in the article).
            And then think very seriously:
            What am I doing to stop this?
            Is it enough?
            How do I want to be remembered?

            Link Preview Image
            Earth being ‘pushed beyond its limits’ as energy imbalance reaches record high

            State of the Climate report finds Earth’s energy has moved dangerously out of balance, with oceans absorbing vast majority of trapped heat

            favicon

            the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

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            @rahmstorf If any humans survive this madness at all, they will be living in a damaged world which doesn't support large population and civilisations, only small tribes. And they will be telling gruesome tales of the Machine Men who tried to live outside the real world in a fake one they built, until the fake world had eaten almost all of the real world and fell apart.

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            • rahmstorf@fediscience.orgR rahmstorf@fediscience.org

              Every responsible decision maker in politics, industry etc. should read this. Or better yet the original WMO report it’s about (linked in the article).
              And then think very seriously:
              What am I doing to stop this?
              Is it enough?
              How do I want to be remembered?

              Link Preview Image
              Earth being ‘pushed beyond its limits’ as energy imbalance reaches record high

              State of the Climate report finds Earth’s energy has moved dangerously out of balance, with oceans absorbing vast majority of trapped heat

              favicon

              the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

              qole@techhub.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @rahmstorf @dgoldsmith
              The problem is that the leaders here in Canada have stopped talking about the climate crisis. They don't mention it in their election platforms. And people voted for the leader who promised to roll back carbon taxes. I don't think that the leaders are worrying about it at all. 😕

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              • rahmstorf@fediscience.orgR rahmstorf@fediscience.org

                A note about the fact that 91% of the energy warming the Earth is taken up by the oceans and only 1% by the atmosphere: that simply is because the heat capacity of water is so much larger than that of air, so it takes far more energy to warm the oceans. Temperature is rising less in the oceans than in the atmosphere, and mostly in the upper layers.

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                @rahmstorf Yeah, I'm struggling to understand why it's "bleaker" that the oceans have a higher heat capacity than the atmosphere? Or if it's only the case "at present" that "humans and other life forms on the surface directly suffer only a small fraction of that energy", how is this expected to change in the future? And why?

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