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  3. Looking into systemd complying in advance with fascism ("age verification"), I was curious who is employing Lennart Poettering these days.

Looking into systemd complying in advance with fascism ("age verification"), I was curious who is employing Lennart Poettering these days.

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  • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

    Hackers in the 1990s:
    We will write code so powerful that no government will be able to stop it! They can't outlaw code if it's printed in a book!

    Hackers in 2026:
    Some fascists in some parts of the world are making moves towards maybe threatening us, though nobody knows how their laws are supposed to work, let alone how to comply with their conflicting requirements. Anyway let's bend over backwards to comply in advance and lock threads so we don't have to be held accountable for our cowardice.

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    #7

    Kudos to System76 for seemingly being the only responsible ones trying to change the laws instead of complying in advance.

    On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states

    favicon

    (lists.freedesktop.org)

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    • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

      Startups are bad, mmkay. Kids, don't do startups.

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      #8

      @be I'm only hustling for my own wind-down company. Sales are down, naps are up!

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      • delafin@climatejustice.socialD delafin@climatejustice.social

        @be I'm only hustling for my own wind-down company. Sales are down, naps are up!

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        @delafin Wasn't there someone who sold their sleep on the internet once upon a time?

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        • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

          @delafin Wasn't there someone who sold their sleep on the internet once upon a time?

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          @be commodification of sleep? sounds like the opposite of winding-down to me.

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          • delafin@climatejustice.socialD delafin@climatejustice.social

            @be commodification of sleep? sounds like the opposite of winding-down to me.

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            @delafin @be look, buddy, i'm doing it anyway, if someone pays me for it, that's a win-win situation

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            • ratsnakegames@mastodon.socialR ratsnakegames@mastodon.social

              @delafin @be look, buddy, i'm doing it anyway, if someone pays me for it, that's a win-win situation

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              @delafin @be if you can't take your own naps, store bought is fine

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              • willow@social.translunar.academyW willow@social.translunar.academy
                @be what are they supposed to do? let Linux be illegal in California? /notmad
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                @Willow @be unironically yes

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                • einsiedlerspiel@todon.nlE einsiedlerspiel@todon.nl

                  @Willow @be unironically yes

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                  @einsiedlerspiel @Willow https://floss.social/@be/116257900057126266

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                  • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                    @einsiedlerspiel @Willow https://floss.social/@be/116257900057126266

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                    @be @Willow

                    also this

                    Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

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                    (agelesslinux.org)

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                    • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                      Kudos to System76 for seemingly being the only responsible ones trying to change the laws instead of complying in advance.

                      On the unfortunate need for an "age verification" API for legal compliance reasons in some U.S. states

                      favicon

                      (lists.freedesktop.org)

                      be@floss.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      Ageless Linux is actively resisting and tracking these laws, the companies lobbying for them, and how distros are responding:
                      https://agelesslinux.org

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                      • einsiedlerspiel@todon.nlE einsiedlerspiel@todon.nl

                        @be @Willow

                        also this

                        Ageless Linux — Software for Humans of Indeterminate Age

                        favicon

                        (agelesslinux.org)

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                        @einsiedlerspiel @Willow oh this is great, thanks for sharing

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                        • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                          Ageless Linux is actively resisting and tracking these laws, the companies lobbying for them, and how distros are responding:
                          https://agelesslinux.org

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                          I am skeptical of Ageless Linux's argument that the motivation behind these laws is to make it impossible/expensive for FOSS operating systems to comply. I think the real motivation is to get ahead of the discourse about how Big Tech harms children. They want to claim that they're doing their part to protect children. That would be a great smokescreen to distract from efforts for regulations to make them change their tech to make it not harmful to anyone, regardless of age.

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                          • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                            I am skeptical of Ageless Linux's argument that the motivation behind these laws is to make it impossible/expensive for FOSS operating systems to comply. I think the real motivation is to get ahead of the discourse about how Big Tech harms children. They want to claim that they're doing their part to protect children. That would be a great smokescreen to distract from efforts for regulations to make them change their tech to make it not harmful to anyone, regardless of age.

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                            https://tboteproject.com/ is tracking the dark money from Meta and the Heritage Foundation behind the age verification law astroturfing campaign.

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                            • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                              https://tboteproject.com/ is tracking the dark money from Meta and the Heritage Foundation behind the age verification law astroturfing campaign.

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                              WARNING: This operating system contains GAY known to the State of California to trans the kids.

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                                @amillefolium Yep, the companies pushing these laws make their money by associating data produced by how people use the device to their identity. Making it illegal to be anonymous on the internet is very helpful for their surveillance, and thus profits.

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                                • willow@social.translunar.academyW willow@social.translunar.academy
                                  @be what are they supposed to do? let Linux be illegal in California? /notmad
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                                  @Willow @be Yes, and then call for a raid on Meta's/X's/Google's datacentres to confirm they aren't running illegal OSes.

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                                  • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                                    In case you missed systemd complying in advance with fascism... https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

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                                    @be Yeah fuck that! Am so glad I run a Linux system (on several devices in fact) that doesn't use systemd at all. Complying with fascism aside, WTAF why is an init system getting involved in this. Worse still, there did seem to be polite review comments suggesting this was premature ... then comments were turned off ... then Claude did a review and shortly after the thing got merged. Yeah, whole host of reasons not to use systemd then!

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                                    • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                                      In case you missed systemd complying in advance with fascism... https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954

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                                      @be And the icing on the cake

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                                      • be@floss.socialB be@floss.social

                                        I am skeptical of Ageless Linux's argument that the motivation behind these laws is to make it impossible/expensive for FOSS operating systems to comply. I think the real motivation is to get ahead of the discourse about how Big Tech harms children. They want to claim that they're doing their part to protect children. That would be a great smokescreen to distract from efforts for regulations to make them change their tech to make it not harmful to anyone, regardless of age.

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                                        @be this is word for word the EFF line about regulations as monopoly protections. in some cases this can be true but i recall they always mention it regarding stuff that affects facebook, which results in the EFF claiming facebook regs actually help facebook.

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                                        • hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH hipsterelectron@circumstances.run

                                          @be this is word for word the EFF line about regulations as monopoly protections. in some cases this can be true but i recall they always mention it regarding stuff that affects facebook, which results in the EFF claiming facebook regs actually help facebook.

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                                          @be oh neat facebook involvement https://floss.social/@be/116259428771089394

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