AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates?
Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc...
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Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".
Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"
The answer:
An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.
They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.
And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.
@duke_of_germany @kboyd @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I use Firefox for years and years on my Macs. It was actually the incompatibilities with certain websites that drove me back to Safari (of all things). But all this AI nonsense is definitely not going to bring me back to Firefox.
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@giacomo the features don't do anything until you interact with them (like in this screenshot).
At this point, a local model is downloaded, and the processing is done entirely on device, preserving privacy.
Same goes for translation. It happens on device whereas most other browsers send the text off-device.
@firefoxwebdevs @giacomo What about accidental clicks? Fuck you and your browser.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs just take it all out and make them browser extensions, like they should be
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Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".
Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"
The answer:
An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.
They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.
And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I've always thought of Firefox as the standard default browser (I'm a Linux user, and Firefox is *the* browser installed on Debian (and Ubuntu I believe) out of the box). I always used to assume that it was the default most used browser on Windows as well, but apparently I'm wrong on that. I've not thought about other browsers in over a decade.
Until recently, of course, and I'm not seeing any other option really.
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs Would it be possible to have a separate build of Firefox containing just the browser?
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@jaffathecake @reflex @froztbyte @ddelemeny allll the world is misinterpreting you SO BADLY. How EVER could that have come to pass?
sheesh.
@spz @jaffathecake relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1984/
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@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates?
Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc...
@davidrevoy @firefoxwebdevs i would trust the person writing the mastodon posts here to tell you. I dont know him personally, but he acts very different than mozilla management.
It is @jaffathecake -
@ada would you feel comfortable filing a bug report about this on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/home?
@firefoxwebdevs
Not quite, sorry.
I rolled back to older version already. -
@allwelikeworms@mastodon.social atleast they did something. Get a life. Touch some grass and call some friends. They miss you
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@wojtek
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs Because it exposes users to a wide variety of technical and cognitive hazards, has a significant labor rights and ecological impact, is changing the structure of public discourse in ways that are broadly incompatible with democracy, and represents a fundamental change in what the piece of software the users are installing does, ontologically. Why do you think it's justified forcing that change on anyone who doesn't notice it's there or understand why they might not want it?@dymaxion @wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs considering all that - should we just ban the browser altogether?
Let's break it down:
- cognitive and technical hazzards: browser allow opening any "social"-network -- check
- public discourse -- as above
- having AI as a feature doesn't change what the software does as noone from mozilla puts a gun to user head to click on "summarise the page" button -- this is still on the user
EDIT: also - should we also force Mozilla/Firefox to blacklist all "AI" websites if we are at it? Because if we don't then all those points that you mentioned can still be valid as user can just open the webpage with selected AI service…
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@wojtek @firefoxwebdevs What do you think about the ethical concerns?
@nikclayton @firefoxwebdevs of the AI? I would dance on the bonfire on bigtech
alas -- I do find certain uses of LLMs (not necesarily what altman is doing) in general having some uses… that's all.
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@firefoxwebdevs @sarah maybe start by talking to your CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/This vision is a huge reason why people are not convinced. That, and how getting Firefox to implement these controls at long last felt like pulling teeth.
Weird yet predictable that @firefoxwebdevs replies all over the place playing stupid word games and pithy semantics, but leaves this unreplied to.
I'm starting to think, maybe, this guy isn't interested in honest discussion!
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Weird yet predictable that @firefoxwebdevs replies all over the place playing stupid word games and pithy semantics, but leaves this unreplied to.
I'm starting to think, maybe, this guy isn't interested in honest discussion!
@TheEntity @sarah @firefoxwebdevs here's another such "loose end":
https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/116003478630992874
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@elkaki Oh, that's neat!
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AI Controls (formerly 'kill switch') are landing in today's Firefox Nightly, and will land with Firefox 148 later this month.
For the full details, see the Firefox blog https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/
@firefoxwebdevs We said "NO!!". You are about to lose MANY users.
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Don’t write "we“ where you should have written "I“. I find many AI features useful.
@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @Mastokarl That's nice. How does that affect what I DON'T want and/or the people I don't trust?
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Now that‘s the big question: are the very outspoken crowd that hates AI features a majority of Firefox users or are they just very outspoken while those like such features but just don‘t care enough about them to speak up (against the outspoken crowd which can be stressful) here. I don‘t know.
@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @Mastokarl Why does it matter? Don't make things some people strongly don't like the default. Loud music in public, authoritarianism, gang rape.
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@dymaxion @wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs considering all that - should we just ban the browser altogether?
Let's break it down:
- cognitive and technical hazzards: browser allow opening any "social"-network -- check
- public discourse -- as above
- having AI as a feature doesn't change what the software does as noone from mozilla puts a gun to user head to click on "summarise the page" button -- this is still on the userEDIT: also - should we also force Mozilla/Firefox to blacklist all "AI" websites if we are at it? Because if we don't then all those points that you mentioned can still be valid as user can just open the webpage with selected AI service…
@wojtek
Right, you're clearly not interested in a conversation, so I'll let you go troll in peace
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs -
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard mate you directly said I was portraying people here as crazies. I see why you'd want to try and wriggle out of that, but your message is right there.
@jaffathecake
I love it when you can compare the message favorite counts to see exactly who everyone thinks is bullshitting (=0 favs) vs arguing honestly (37 favs here)
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
