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Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem).

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  • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

    I don't remember who said this, but it's like telling you to buy Camels instead of Marlboros while claiming to fight tobacco companies. If any politician parrots talking points of a CEO on a funding round, even on the harms of AI systems, you should be worried.

    Remember when Altman schmoozed them and newspapers had headlines of him "begging" to be regulated and hailing him as an Oppenheimer figure who is so worried about his own creation 🙄?

    That was just last year! https://time.com/7267797/ai-leaders-oppenheimer-moment-musk-altman/.

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    You don't believe Altman is such a figure but you think Amodei, who insisted that OpenAI use all 10,000 GPUs and train the biggest model possible, when he was there, is such a figure?

    In his video, Bernie is literally creating a Claude ad, showing the system as an all knowing being that answers all of his questions. An ad for Anthropic, a company claiming that they can't even confidently say that "Claude isn't conscious".

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      You don't believe Altman is such a figure but you think Amodei, who insisted that OpenAI use all 10,000 GPUs and train the biggest model possible, when he was there, is such a figure?

      In his video, Bernie is literally creating a Claude ad, showing the system as an all knowing being that answers all of his questions. An ad for Anthropic, a company claiming that they can't even confidently say that "Claude isn't conscious".

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      A company amassing billions saying they'll at once save us from evil super intelligent machines and build the benevolent super intelligent machine that will solve all of our problems. They're so worried about people not getting "reskilled" because workers are going to be replaced by their machine god that will do our jobs so much better than us. Investors want to hear about machine gods displacing workers because, well, that's how they make money.

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        A company amassing billions saying they'll at once save us from evil super intelligent machines and build the benevolent super intelligent machine that will solve all of our problems. They're so worried about people not getting "reskilled" because workers are going to be replaced by their machine god that will do our jobs so much better than us. Investors want to hear about machine gods displacing workers because, well, that's how they make money.

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        On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

        Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

        Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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        • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

          On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

          Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

          Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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          @timnitGebru Thank you for this!

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          • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

            Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem). His supporters on Muskrat's platform came for me when I quote tweeted his post saying, "at this point, Bernie’s job seems to be lobbying for Anthropic."

            So I'm going to elaborate on the corporate psyop that has been happening since the beginning of time and how no one seems to learn their lesson.

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            @timnitGebru

            So many people both want to believe and lack the understanding to be critical.

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            • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

              Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem). His supporters on Muskrat's platform came for me when I quote tweeted his post saying, "at this point, Bernie’s job seems to be lobbying for Anthropic."

              So I'm going to elaborate on the corporate psyop that has been happening since the beginning of time and how no one seems to learn their lesson.

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              @timnitGebru
              Disappointing news. I am so tired of seemingly intelligent people parroting AI hype.

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              • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                @timnitGebru yes! As always... Follow the money 💵

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                • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                  On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                  Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                  Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                  @timnitGebru

                  Crassus and his fire brigade of slaves.

                  Set the house on fire > negotiate to buy it for nearly nothing > put the fire out > sell it back at a grossly inflated price.

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                  • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                    On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                    Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                    Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                    @timnitGebru

                    "First a toy, then a tool then a weapon". The AI Ethics debate is so shot-through with self-dealing I just don't think I want to waste time on it. I will be ethical in congruence with my belief we are all in this together. that as I fare, so also shall our machines be created in our image.

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                    • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                      You don't believe Altman is such a figure but you think Amodei, who insisted that OpenAI use all 10,000 GPUs and train the biggest model possible, when he was there, is such a figure?

                      In his video, Bernie is literally creating a Claude ad, showing the system as an all knowing being that answers all of his questions. An ad for Anthropic, a company claiming that they can't even confidently say that "Claude isn't conscious".

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                      @timnitGebru@dair-community.social Ya, I'm so tired of the "let's ask a chat bot about chatbot-related issues". It isn't interesting that someone coerced a chatbot into saying something even I might agree with. It's just a random word generator.

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                      • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                        Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem). His supporters on Muskrat's platform came for me when I quote tweeted his post saying, "at this point, Bernie’s job seems to be lobbying for Anthropic."

                        So I'm going to elaborate on the corporate psyop that has been happening since the beginning of time and how no one seems to learn their lesson.

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                        @timnitGebru from another perspective: it might be a move to convince people that only believe in god, that god is dead, which they would only believe if said by itself.

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                        • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                          Bernie has been repeating, almost verbatim, Dario Amodei's talking points, for a while now, even quote tweeting him. Amodei positions Anthropic as the ethical alternative to OpenAI just like OpenAI positioned itself as the ethical alternative to Google in 2015 and everyone ate it up. This was an article from then, the headline says that Muskrat, Thiel, Altman + friends founded an "altruistic AI venture" 🙄
                          https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35082344

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                          @timnitGebru cancer kills you in stages. First it starts hovering up all the resources to grow at the cost of everything else, then it puts pressure on other systems making it hard for them to function (markets / governments)
                          It then either crushes everything else to the point of killing its host and itself
                          Or it fails leaving catastrophic damage to the host. (Bubble collapse)

                          Even if the magical black box machine god manages infinite exponential growth as promised (which I doubt) it kills you either directly or by consuming your ecosystem. A child can see linear systems are by definition one way.

                          The total lack of regulation, the misappropriation of resources (intellectual and other) and the push to militarize by dumping more resources into it bodes so very well.

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                          • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                            Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem). His supporters on Muskrat's platform came for me when I quote tweeted his post saying, "at this point, Bernie’s job seems to be lobbying for Anthropic."

                            So I'm going to elaborate on the corporate psyop that has been happening since the beginning of time and how no one seems to learn their lesson.

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                            @timnitGebru

                            AI cannot do your job

                            Your boss bought AI to do your job

                            You're fired

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                            • tanquist@masto.aiT tanquist@masto.ai

                              @timnitGebru
                              Disappointing news. I am so tired of seemingly intelligent people parroting AI hype.

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                              @tanquist @timnitGebru 100% this. I see it everywhere now and it’s so tiring. I’m not surprised though. Con men tactics work very well after all

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                              • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                                On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                                Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                                Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                                @timnitGebru I was really disappointed to hear Bernie in some interview a while back play the doomer card. All I can think of is who has been pouring poison in his ear. As he talked I realized it was the Amodei gang and it was further proof that one should not get too attached to popular figures.

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                                • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                                  On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                                  Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                                  Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                                  @timnitGebru And developers. A developer here was boasting just the other day how she got a big grant from Bluesky for dev on activity pub and couldn't see why it was a problem.

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                                  • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                                    Bernie Sanders just created a video to make a point about issues of privacy in AI (a real problem). His supporters on Muskrat's platform came for me when I quote tweeted his post saying, "at this point, Bernie’s job seems to be lobbying for Anthropic."

                                    So I'm going to elaborate on the corporate psyop that has been happening since the beginning of time and how no one seems to learn their lesson.

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                                    @timnitGebru I saw the clip and found it weird that he talked to the LLM is if it was a person and had actual knowledge and analytical abilities. Also the answers were so perfect that it didn't feel genuine. It would be easier to write a script of the conversation beforehand, which is what we're seeing in that clip.

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                                    • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                                      On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                                      Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                                      Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                                      @timnitGebru

                                      Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution." - that's the literal definition of HyperNormalisation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation)

                                      This documentary keeps popping into my head recently, things keep reminding me of it's thread on Technological utopianism.

                                      Still highly relevant 10 years later, and maybe eerily prescient

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                                      • timnitgebru@dair-community.socialT timnitgebru@dair-community.social

                                        On another day, we'll discuss why this is happening.

                                        Effective altruists and overall TESCREAL bundle billionaires have infiltrated the labor movement and journalism, offering fellowships with staggering amounts of money like they invested ridiculous amounts of money into these companies claiming to build machine gods.

                                        Money for the "problem" and money for "the solution."

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                                        @timnitGebru

                                        It's so disappointing to see politicians who should be calling out Trump BS and the simultaneous AI crowd that works to support him so oblivious to the hyperbole. The world and USA needs a younger generation of politicians that are more tech savvy and yet cynical about the industry and its players

                                        As an old guy getting played, it's clear Bernie's judgment and ability to help proactive moves against Republicans and their oligarchs has eroded or he has been compromised.

                                        Bernie's video is what I would call #trojan_ai

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                                          @timnitGebru

                                          It's so disappointing to see politicians who should be calling out Trump BS and the simultaneous AI crowd that works to support him so oblivious to the hyperbole. The world and USA needs a younger generation of politicians that are more tech savvy and yet cynical about the industry and its players

                                          As an old guy getting played, it's clear Bernie's judgment and ability to help proactive moves against Republicans and their oligarchs has eroded or he has been compromised.

                                          Bernie's video is what I would call #trojan_ai

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                                          @timnitGebru

                                          #trojan_ai in the sense that the AI discourse disguised as journalism never questions the ethics of the AI and so becomes marketing.

                                          Your Camel/Marlboro example is a good examplec of the "any publicity is good publicity" idea.

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