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    ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world
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    #1

    According to the release:

    Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

    The code was written by Cursor and Claude

    14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

    reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

    This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

    Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

    henfredemars@infosec.pubH povoq@slrpnk.netP H natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN dojan@pawb.socialD 45 Replies Last reply
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    • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

      According to the release:

      Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

      The code was written by Cursor and Claude

      14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

      reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

      This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

      Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

      henfredemars@infosec.pubH This user is from outside of this forum
      henfredemars@infosec.pubH This user is from outside of this forum
      henfredemars@infosec.pub
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      Definitely share your initial concern. Without strong review processes to ensure that every line of code follows the intent of the human developer, there’s no way of knowing what exactly is in there and the implications for the human users. And I’m not just talking about bugs.

      They say it’s reviewed, but the temptation to blindly trust is there. In this case, developer appears to have taken some care.

      The code was written by Cursor and Claude, but reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks by me. I created comparison documents, went through all queries multiple times and reviewed the logic over and over again. I also did load tests and manual regression tests, which took lots of evenings.

      Let us hope so. Handle with care to ensure responsibility is not offloaded to a machine instead of a person.

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      • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

        According to the release:

        Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

        The code was written by Cursor and Claude

        14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

        reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

        This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

        Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

        povoq@slrpnk.netP This user is from outside of this forum
        povoq@slrpnk.netP This user is from outside of this forum
        povoq@slrpnk.net
        wrote last edited by
        #3

        If you use ntfy mainly as a Unified Push distributor on Android, then I highly recommend switching to a XMPP client that can do the same.

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        • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

          If you use ntfy mainly as a Unified Push distributor on Android, then I highly recommend switching to a XMPP client that can do the same.

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          ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world
          wrote last edited by
          #4

          I was also using it for notifications but I'll probably switch to E-Mail for that and find an alternative UP distributor.

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          • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

            According to the release:

            Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

            The code was written by Cursor and Claude

            14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

            reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

            This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

            Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

            H This user is from outside of this forum
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            hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
            wrote last edited by
            #5

            Uh. I'd really prefer if people experimented with new technology a bit more cautiously and not directly jump to "the biggest release [...] ever done".

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            • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

              According to the release:

              Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

              The code was written by Cursor and Claude

              14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

              reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

              This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

              Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

              natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN This user is from outside of this forum
              natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN This user is from outside of this forum
              natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
              wrote last edited by
              #6

              Yeah, this is now inherently untrustworthy. Better to switch to an alternative.

              exu@feditown.comE 1 Reply Last reply
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              • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                According to the release:

                Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

                The code was written by Cursor and Claude

                14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

                reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

                This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

                Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

                dojan@pawb.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                dojan@pawb.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                dojan@pawb.social
                wrote last edited by
                #7

                Send push notifications to your phone or desktop using PUT/POST

                I'm sorry, how many lines of code for that?

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                • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                  According to the release:

                  Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

                  The code was written by Cursor and Claude

                  14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

                  reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

                  This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

                  Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

                  D This user is from outside of this forum
                  D This user is from outside of this forum
                  d15d@feddit.org
                  wrote last edited by
                  #8

                  They are not even trusting it themselves. This is from the release notes

                  I'll not instantly switch ntfy.sh over. Instead, I'm kindly asking the community to test the Postgres support and report back to me if things are working

                  Fuck that.

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                  • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                    I was also using it for notifications but I'll probably switch to E-Mail for that and find an alternative UP distributor.

                    H This user is from outside of this forum
                    H This user is from outside of this forum
                    hoppolito@mander.xyz
                    wrote last edited by
                    #9

                    Conversations is working very well on my phone as UP distributor.

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                    • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                      According to the release:

                      Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

                      The code was written by Cursor and Claude

                      14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

                      reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

                      This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

                      Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

                      D This user is from outside of this forum
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                      decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz
                      wrote last edited by
                      #10

                      Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

                      Fewer Letters More Letters
                      DNS Domain Name Service/System
                      Git Popular version control system, primarily for code
                      IP Internet Protocol
                      MQTT Message Queue Telemetry Transport point-to-point networking
                      NAT Network Address Translation
                      XMPP Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol ('Jabber') for open instant messaging

                      6 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 8 acronyms.

                      [Thread #146 for this comm, first seen 8th Mar 2026, 10:40]
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                      • henfredemars@infosec.pubH henfredemars@infosec.pub

                        Definitely share your initial concern. Without strong review processes to ensure that every line of code follows the intent of the human developer, there’s no way of knowing what exactly is in there and the implications for the human users. And I’m not just talking about bugs.

                        They say it’s reviewed, but the temptation to blindly trust is there. In this case, developer appears to have taken some care.

                        The code was written by Cursor and Claude, but reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks by me. I created comparison documents, went through all queries multiple times and reviewed the logic over and over again. I also did load tests and manual regression tests, which took lots of evenings.

                        Let us hope so. Handle with care to ensure responsibility is not offloaded to a machine instead of a person.

                        S This user is from outside of this forum
                        S This user is from outside of this forum
                        slotos@feddit.nl
                        wrote last edited by
                        #11

                        The size of that changeset means that it’s inherently unreviewable.

                        The commit history is something I’ve seen only in the PRs that even the most dysfunctional companies would demand a rewrite for.

                        Also, 2-3 weeks review? PostgreSQL support could be added in that time without the need for a damn „vibe check”. Hell, it would probably take less time than that.

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                        • dojan@pawb.socialD dojan@pawb.social

                          Send push notifications to your phone or desktop using PUT/POST

                          I'm sorry, how many lines of code for that?

                          lime@feddit.nuL This user is from outside of this forum
                          lime@feddit.nuL This user is from outside of this forum
                          lime@feddit.nu
                          wrote last edited by
                          #12

                          if you want to send one notification from your desktop to your phone, it's easy. but from any device to (m)any other, with guaranteed delivery and no doubles? shit gets complicated.

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                          • S slotos@feddit.nl

                            The size of that changeset means that it’s inherently unreviewable.

                            The commit history is something I’ve seen only in the PRs that even the most dysfunctional companies would demand a rewrite for.

                            Also, 2-3 weeks review? PostgreSQL support could be added in that time without the need for a damn „vibe check”. Hell, it would probably take less time than that.

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                            mirrorgiraffe@piefed.social
                            wrote last edited by
                            #13

                            To be fair they would have needed to spend time testing the manual implementation as well.

                            The problem I see mainly is that even if this rolls out perfectly, the erratic and changing nature if llms still make it pointless as a proof of concept. Next time Claude might fuck up in a fringe way that's not covered by unit tests and is missed by manual tests.

                            On the other hand I guess I've been guilty myself on numerous occasions to implement fringe bugs into production code, but at least I learn from it.

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                            • D d15d@feddit.org

                              They are not even trusting it themselves. This is from the release notes

                              I'll not instantly switch ntfy.sh over. Instead, I'm kindly asking the community to test the Postgres support and report back to me if things are working

                              Fuck that.

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                              mirrorgiraffe@piefed.social
                              wrote last edited by
                              #14

                              Classic "test in production" strategy, very solid!

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                              • lime@feddit.nuL lime@feddit.nu

                                if you want to send one notification from your desktop to your phone, it's easy. but from any device to (m)any other, with guaranteed delivery and no doubles? shit gets complicated.

                                dojan@pawb.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                dojan@pawb.social
                                wrote last edited by
                                #15

                                So it's a little more than just sending notifications, then.

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                                • dojan@pawb.socialD dojan@pawb.social

                                  So it's a little more than just sending notifications, then.

                                  lime@feddit.nuL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  lime@feddit.nu
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #16

                                  no, it's literally all in service of sending notifications. but there's a lot involved. android doesn't have a way to receive them natively for example, you need to go through google's services. so ntfy has to emulate the firebase api. then there's the "exactly once" requirement, which is basically the two generals problem turned up to eleven because every platform syncs differently and you need some way to store messages that are in the process of transmitting. then there's the matter of punching through NAT, so you need a STUN/TURN setup on the server.

                                  and that's on top of the fact that every platform requires different build options, manifests, certificates, etc.

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                                  • M mirrorgiraffe@piefed.social

                                    To be fair they would have needed to spend time testing the manual implementation as well.

                                    The problem I see mainly is that even if this rolls out perfectly, the erratic and changing nature if llms still make it pointless as a proof of concept. Next time Claude might fuck up in a fringe way that's not covered by unit tests and is missed by manual tests.

                                    On the other hand I guess I've been guilty myself on numerous occasions to implement fringe bugs into production code, but at least I learn from it.

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                                    slotos@feddit.nl
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #17

                                    I made my statement as a BDD/TDD practitioner.

                                    The code goal of software engineering is not to deliver said code, but to deliver it in a framework that lets others—and consequently me in a week’s time—to contribute easily. This makes both future improvements and bug fixes easier.

                                    Dumping a ~25000 lines changeset with a git history that’s almost designed to confuse is antithetical to both engineering and open source.

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                                    • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                                      According to the release:

                                      Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

                                      The code was written by Cursor and Claude

                                      14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

                                      reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

                                      This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

                                      Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

                                      kevinwells@lemmy.worldK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      kevinwells@lemmy.world
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #18

                                      I just set up a ntfy server for Unified Push earlier this week to use with Matrix. Now I have to turn around and immediately replace it...

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                                      • natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN natanox@discuss.tchncs.de

                                        Yeah, this is now inherently untrustworthy. Better to switch to an alternative.

                                        exu@feditown.comE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        exu@feditown.comE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        exu@feditown.com
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #19

                                        Do you know any? I've never really looked beyond ntfy.sh until now

                                        natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN sunny@slrpnk.netS november@piefed.blahaj.zoneN kilgore_trout@feddit.itK trustedtyrant@sopuli.xyzT 5 Replies Last reply
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                                        • U ueiqkkwhuwjw@lemmy.world

                                          According to the release:

                                          Adds experimental PostgreSQL support

                                          The code was written by Cursor and Claude

                                          14,997 added lines of code, and 10,202 lines removed

                                          reviewed and heavily tested over 2-3 weeks

                                          This makes me uneasy, especially as ntfy is an internet facing service. I am now looking for alternatives.

                                          Am I overreacting or do you all share the same concern?

                                          nfreak@lemmy.mlN This user is from outside of this forum
                                          nfreak@lemmy.mlN This user is from outside of this forum
                                          nfreak@lemmy.ml
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #20

                                          Definitely time to find an alternative. What the actual fuck is this

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