IRC is the alternative to discord.
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IRC is the alternative to discord.
If we want a free Internet, we must put in the work to use the tools we already have. IRC was fine back in the 2000s, it's fine today
IRC is scalable and it works.
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IRC is scalable and it works.
Discord killed IRC. But IRC might have to kill discord if we are to have a free Internet
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Discord killed IRC. But IRC might have to kill discord if we are to have a free Internet
The software to run an ircd is all open source. All the clients are open source. They're actually packaged within Debian GNU/Linux.
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Discord killed IRC. But IRC might have to kill discord if we are to have a free Internet
@burnoutqueen IRC needs to evolve a little bit for people to actually use it again.
First and most important change: Actually save the message history in every client that is retrievable;
Second: Voice chat.
Third: Bots like Pluralkit.
Everything else is tertiary, but people want and need modern features to express themselves. Saying it was fine in the 2000s and not changing anything doesn't help anyone.
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The software to run an ircd is all open source. All the clients are open source. They're actually packaged within Debian GNU/Linux.
"but but it's too hard!" or "network effects!" Are great arguments and all, but do you want your network to be surveilled by a corporation? Or do you want your own people to manage your own infrastructure?
You can't have it both ways
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@burnoutqueen IRC needs to evolve a little bit for people to actually use it again.
First and most important change: Actually save the message history in every client that is retrievable;
Second: Voice chat.
Third: Bots like Pluralkit.
Everything else is tertiary, but people want and need modern features to express themselves. Saying it was fine in the 2000s and not changing anything doesn't help anyone.
@fleurcode embrace extend and extinguish is the strategy every time
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"but but it's too hard!" or "network effects!" Are great arguments and all, but do you want your network to be surveilled by a corporation? Or do you want your own people to manage your own infrastructure?
You can't have it both ways
And if you want a video chat....
Just use jitsi.
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And if you want a video chat....
Just use jitsi.
Have an IRC window and a Jitsi meet window side by side.
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Have an IRC window and a Jitsi meet window side by side.
Or, better yet, signal.
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IRC is the alternative to discord.
If we want a free Internet, we must put in the work to use the tools we already have. IRC was fine back in the 2000s, it's fine today
@burnoutqueen IRC is fine, but XMPP is better
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@burnoutqueen IRC is fine, but XMPP is better
@burnoutqueen anyway, people aren't gonna even shift to Matrix, so it really doesn't matter
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@fleurcode embrace extend and extinguish is the strategy every time
@burnoutqueen Sure, but girl my point still stands, you didn't say anything to combat it. If it at least had those first 2 It would already be great.
Not everyone uses Discord, incredibly, more people use Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram than Discord. Everything they have in common is the first 2 features. IRC will bring freedom if it allows Voip and message history, like, come on.
If anything kills Discord it will either be those or Matrix, but unfortunately nobody is going back to IRC.
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@burnoutqueen Sure, but girl my point still stands, you didn't say anything to combat it. If it at least had those first 2 It would already be great.
Not everyone uses Discord, incredibly, more people use Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram than Discord. Everything they have in common is the first 2 features. IRC will bring freedom if it allows Voip and message history, like, come on.
If anything kills Discord it will either be those or Matrix, but unfortunately nobody is going back to IRC.
@fleurcode for one, IRC has message History if you use the right server daemon.
And two, voip is outside of the scope of IRC. IRC is for text conversations.
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@burnoutqueen Sure, but girl my point still stands, you didn't say anything to combat it. If it at least had those first 2 It would already be great.
Not everyone uses Discord, incredibly, more people use Whatsapp, Signal and Telegram than Discord. Everything they have in common is the first 2 features. IRC will bring freedom if it allows Voip and message history, like, come on.
If anything kills Discord it will either be those or Matrix, but unfortunately nobody is going back to IRC.
Corporate apps tend to centralize everything into one app, to the point where when they do fuck you over everyone is too tangled in network effects to want to leave. It's a sad reality that will end in one or two corporations owning the Internet and operating it according to the demands of the US government.
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IRC is the alternative to discord.
If we want a free Internet, we must put in the work to use the tools we already have. IRC was fine back in the 2000s, it's fine today
@burnoutqueen@todon.nl IRC is too cumbersome for most users. It requires all kinds of overlays to turn it into a modern chat system.. I love IRC, but creating a seamless IRC experience out of a bunch of different packages and components is not a simple task for the average user or administrator.
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Discord killed IRC. But IRC might have to kill discord if we are to have a free Internet
@burnoutqueen@todon.nl AIM killed IRC. Discord killed AIM and XMPP. Most modern messaging systems since have been geared towards corporate environments (slack, teams. etc), and this has been the problem. There's been little work done to create a user focused environment - outside of crap like Discord and some pseudo-secure systems like Telegram.
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