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  3. i am disconcerted by how many techies who saw through crypto *immediately* have fallen for AI krokodil

i am disconcerted by how many techies who saw through crypto *immediately* have fallen for AI krokodil

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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    i am disconcerted by how many techies who saw through crypto *immediately* have fallen for AI krokodil

    alper@rls.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @davidgerard There is a there there. That wasn’t the case for crypto.

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    • rycochet@furs.socialR rycochet@furs.social

      @davidgerard There was a buy in at the crypto casino table that was always a stumbling block, while AI is provided for 'free', and most of the people that suffer first are those they look down their noses at, like artists and writers who should have gotten 'real' STEM jobs.

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      @Rycochet @davidgerard LLMs hack your system 1 thinking.

      Techies, being people who are highly likely to both consider themselves to be intelligent but also people who are likely to be less self aware or emotionally intelligent, are some of the most vulnerable people you could think of to this sort of trap.

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      • fayedrake@furry.engineerF fayedrake@furry.engineer

        @Rycochet @davidgerard LLMs hack your system 1 thinking.

        Techies, being people who are highly likely to both consider themselves to be intelligent but also people who are likely to be less self aware or emotionally intelligent, are some of the most vulnerable people you could think of to this sort of trap.

        Link Preview Image
        System 1 and System 2 Thinking - The Decision Lab

        System 1 thinking is a near-instantaneous thinking process while System 2 thinking is slower and requires more effort.

        favicon

        The Decision Lab (thedecisionlab.com)

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        @Rycochet @davidgerard Hence the old joke about taking each class of computer science undergrads, locking them in a lecture theatre with a bag of mushrooms and not opening the door until they’ve all had an ego death experience.

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        • fayedrake@furry.engineerF fayedrake@furry.engineer

          @Rycochet @davidgerard Hence the old joke about taking each class of computer science undergrads, locking them in a lecture theatre with a bag of mushrooms and not opening the door until they’ve all had an ego death experience.

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          @Rycochet @davidgerard a full critique of LLMs also requires a spattering of class consciousness, which tech people as a class have always struggled with

          AKA “y’all can see how piping literally everything we do through a single company is going to end badly right? No? Oh. Oh dear.”

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          • fayedrake@furry.engineerF fayedrake@furry.engineer

            @Rycochet @davidgerard Hence the old joke about taking each class of computer science undergrads, locking them in a lecture theatre with a bag of mushrooms and not opening the door until they’ve all had an ego death experience.

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            @FayeDrake @Rycochet these are the guys who take ayahuasca and turn into Jack Dorsey, so

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            • fayedrake@furry.engineerF fayedrake@furry.engineer

              @Rycochet @davidgerard a full critique of LLMs also requires a spattering of class consciousness, which tech people as a class have always struggled with

              AKA “y’all can see how piping literally everything we do through a single company is going to end badly right? No? Oh. Oh dear.”

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              @FayeDrake @davidgerard AI has proven beyond all reasonable doubt that all STEM and business degrees should come wit mandatory ethics and humanities lessons, actual ethics, not the Effective Altrism culy tinged drivel, or the 'ethics with an app done purely for marketing' style faux ethics of Anthropic.

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                @katrinatransfem my usual answer is "you've been saying 'next model bro' for three years"

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                @davidgerard @katrinatransfem It's just like the "self-driving cars are X months away" pushers who won't admit they were wrong. The reality that not all tech is viable seems to escape them.

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                  @passenger @davidgerard blockchains are indeed terrible which is so frustrating because the application domain they claim to cover is perhaps the most interesting thing in the world to me. when i have a better handle on the build and packaging shit i will be releasing more work in the area of anonymous networking

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                  • alper@rls.socialA alper@rls.social

                    @davidgerard There is a there there. That wasn’t the case for crypto.

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                    @davidgerard Case in point: https://mas.to/@SmudgeTheInsultCat/116180303224845767

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                    • fayedrake@furry.engineerF fayedrake@furry.engineer

                      @Rycochet @davidgerard Hence the old joke about taking each class of computer science undergrads, locking them in a lecture theatre with a bag of mushrooms and not opening the door until they’ve all had an ego death experience.

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                      Yeah but on this coast Burning Man does that and the effects are, uh, deeply mixed. Universal Unitarianism as an alternative treatment would have equal upside and less downside afaict. (Not an adherent, just impressed by the effect of regular talking and a church basement with a coffee urn.)

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        @katrinatransfem my usual answer is "you've been saying 'next model bro' for three years"

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                        @davidgerard @katrinatransfem there is something fishy about the most recent influencer campaign. They even got Knuth to mention a specific product by name.

                        It's like they did psychological profiling on individuals, and then give them exactly what they need to praise them, and not their competitor (and of course push the concept as a whole bit only secondarily).

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                        • loke@functional.cafeL loke@functional.cafe

                          @davidgerard @katrinatransfem there is something fishy about the most recent influencer campaign. They even got Knuth to mention a specific product by name.

                          It's like they did psychological profiling on individuals, and then give them exactly what they need to praise them, and not their competitor (and of course push the concept as a whole bit only secondarily).

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                          @loke @davidgerard @katrinatransfem fake-grassroots marketing and influence campaigns are very real but “Donald Knuth would never mention that something very famous exists without some sort of hand-crafted psyop infecting his brain” is basically ascribing godlike powers to a random junior marketing employee

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