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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

    (Original title: How to smoke)

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    I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

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    wolf@helvede.netW This user is from outside of this forum
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    @tante And here I thought those were books in the picture, and thought that the text therefore referred to reading as being addictive.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

      (Original title: How to smoke)

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      How to smoke

      I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

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      hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      @tante You actually ARE extra capable using a coding assist, or finding vulns via AI... it's not an imaginary or unmeasureable state. And AFAIK it's having zero effect on my lungs.

      Still I agree the current way things are, where there's no equivalent self-hostable system right now, it's a serious problem.

      It's not simply it's essentially being forced to use proprietary systems, it's also that those systems are under US control, run on your actual (FOSS or not) machine over the internet.

      jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM 2 Replies Last reply
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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

        (Original title: How to smoke)

        Link Preview Image
        How to smoke

        I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

        favicon

        (buttondown.com)

        tio@social.trom.tfT This user is from outside of this forum
        tio@social.trom.tfT This user is from outside of this forum
        tio@social.trom.tf
        wrote last edited by
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        @tante Just a result of a trade-based society. Same as with a washing machine, sweets, clothes, everything being sold. The purpose is to trade them. So they want to trade more. So they make old models or stuff seem obsolete. Rinse and repeat. Same trade-based world that has been for hundreds and hundreds of years. Nothing new unfortunately...and terribly sad but predictable.
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        • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

          @tante You actually ARE extra capable using a coding assist, or finding vulns via AI... it's not an imaginary or unmeasureable state. And AFAIK it's having zero effect on my lungs.

          Still I agree the current way things are, where there's no equivalent self-hostable system right now, it's a serious problem.

          It's not simply it's essentially being forced to use proprietary systems, it's also that those systems are under US control, run on your actual (FOSS or not) machine over the internet.

          jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jplebreton@mastodon.social
          wrote last edited by
          #5

          @hopeless @tante "i actually *do* drive better when i've had a few!"

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

            (Original title: How to smoke)

            Link Preview Image
            How to smoke

            I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

            favicon

            (buttondown.com)

            noodlemaz@mstdn.gamesN This user is from outside of this forum
            noodlemaz@mstdn.gamesN This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #6

            @tante some thoughts, from me, a rando.
            First, the Tobacco lobby is still very powerful. Where do you think all the young people vaping came from? This may be more a UK problem, I don't know - but I think it's international.

            That's not what gaslighting is but I get the gist.

            A big thing I miss from California is the noticable lack of people smoking in public. Our ban didn't come in til 2007, and we've just passed a landmark bill that means people born after 2009 cannot be sold tobacco legally. So there's some progress.

            Maybe it's because I watched my dad's smoking-caused cancers eat him from the inside out, but I don't find pics of people with smoky sticks hanging out their mouths to be cool. Never did I don't think. My whole house stank (he smoked inside). I stank. The dog stank (and, having been white, went an ugly creamy brown). My console cables stank.
            The smell is absolutely one of the worst things and more smokers should know this.

            So yes, yes to this. Yes to changing norms.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

              (Original title: How to smoke)

              Link Preview Image
              How to smoke

              I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

              favicon

              (buttondown.com)

              valpackett@social.treehouse.systemsV This user is from outside of this forum
              valpackett@social.treehouse.systemsV This user is from outside of this forum
              valpackett@social.treehouse.systems
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              @tante oh wow, the design podcast guy I listened to over a decade ago is even more based now, that's nice to see

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                "The basic strategy of all addictive technologies is very simple. They make you feel extra capable, they addict you, then they make you feel inadequate without them."

                (Original title: How to smoke)

                Link Preview Image
                How to smoke

                I used to love to smoke. If it weren’t for the whole lung cancer, emphysema, death thing, would you recommend smoking?

                favicon

                (buttondown.com)

                gsuberland@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                @tante Mike rules. his talk "Fuck You, Pay Me" is one of my favourites of all time and should be mandatory viewing for all contractors and freelancers. super funny and great advice.

                https://youtube.com/watch?v=jVkLVRt6c1U

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                • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                  @tante You actually ARE extra capable using a coding assist, or finding vulns via AI... it's not an imaginary or unmeasureable state. And AFAIK it's having zero effect on my lungs.

                  Still I agree the current way things are, where there's no equivalent self-hostable system right now, it's a serious problem.

                  It's not simply it's essentially being forced to use proprietary systems, it's also that those systems are under US control, run on your actual (FOSS or not) machine over the internet.

                  marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                  marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                  marmeladenbaguette@dresden.network
                  wrote last edited by
                  #9

                  @hopeless
                  its affecting *someones* lungs
                  https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2026-04-28/living-in-hell-data-center-neighbors-grapple-with-noise-air-pollution

                  also i have yet to see some proof of ai making you more capable at coding
                  @tante

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                  • marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM marmeladenbaguette@dresden.network

                    @hopeless
                    its affecting *someones* lungs
                    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2026-04-28/living-in-hell-data-center-neighbors-grapple-with-noise-air-pollution

                    also i have yet to see some proof of ai making you more capable at coding
                    @tante

                    hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @marmeladenbaguette @tante

                    > its affecting *someones* lungs

                    Yes it's not good. I would much rather run local LLM from solar like everything else in my house. But I can't find a competitive local solution to Gemini 3.1 Pro.

                    > also i have yet to see some proof

                    I didn't get the memo that anything I do depends on your opinion? Please bear in mind I never heard of you until a moment ago.

                    You're welcome to keep coping with the idea coding assists don't work and I am just an inveterate liar.

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                    • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                      @marmeladenbaguette @tante

                      > its affecting *someones* lungs

                      Yes it's not good. I would much rather run local LLM from solar like everything else in my house. But I can't find a competitive local solution to Gemini 3.1 Pro.

                      > also i have yet to see some proof

                      I didn't get the memo that anything I do depends on your opinion? Please bear in mind I never heard of you until a moment ago.

                      You're welcome to keep coping with the idea coding assists don't work and I am just an inveterate liar.

                      marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                      marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                      marmeladenbaguette@dresden.network
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                      @hopeless
                      if you are'nt interested in other peoples replies get a website
                      @tante

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                      • marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM marmeladenbaguette@dresden.network

                        @hopeless
                        if you are'nt interested in other peoples replies get a website
                        @tante

                        hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hopeless@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @marmeladenbaguette @tante

                        I took your comment about the lung situation seriously, it is a reasonable point.

                        Please help me understand how you would reply to stranger demanding that you "prove" something to them, that you think would "show interest in [their] replies"? Just say, "no"?

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                        • hopeless@mas.toH hopeless@mas.to

                          @marmeladenbaguette @tante

                          I took your comment about the lung situation seriously, it is a reasonable point.

                          Please help me understand how you would reply to stranger demanding that you "prove" something to them, that you think would "show interest in [their] replies"? Just say, "no"?

                          marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                          marmeladenbaguette@dresden.networkM This user is from outside of this forum
                          marmeladenbaguette@dresden.network
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                          @hopeless
                          i did not demand a single thing
                          @tante

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                          • noodlemaz@mstdn.gamesN noodlemaz@mstdn.games

                            @tante some thoughts, from me, a rando.
                            First, the Tobacco lobby is still very powerful. Where do you think all the young people vaping came from? This may be more a UK problem, I don't know - but I think it's international.

                            That's not what gaslighting is but I get the gist.

                            A big thing I miss from California is the noticable lack of people smoking in public. Our ban didn't come in til 2007, and we've just passed a landmark bill that means people born after 2009 cannot be sold tobacco legally. So there's some progress.

                            Maybe it's because I watched my dad's smoking-caused cancers eat him from the inside out, but I don't find pics of people with smoky sticks hanging out their mouths to be cool. Never did I don't think. My whole house stank (he smoked inside). I stank. The dog stank (and, having been white, went an ugly creamy brown). My console cables stank.
                            The smell is absolutely one of the worst things and more smokers should know this.

                            So yes, yes to this. Yes to changing norms.

                            rhamphorhynchus@mastodon.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
                            rhamphorhynchus@mastodon.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
                            rhamphorhynchus@mastodon.nz
                            wrote last edited by
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                            @noodlemaz @tante I'm so glad to hear that law went through! New Zealand was set to become the first country to stop tobacco sales to an entire generation, but the Atlas Network-funded government let the tobacco lobby veto the law here.

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