I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data.
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
(it's still a really weird episode and would have played much better had it been later in the series. They badly whiffed her character in a number of ways and her appearance here is not exactly flattering. I'm not defending the episode as such, just this particular decision)
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
@prism I never saw her as leaning gay, but did see her humanizing Data.
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
@prism I've always thought the same thing, they were drunk so that was that. Where are you watching this? Does it have audio description?
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
(Also to view any one night stand where all parties are under the influence as a definitive statement on anyone's preferences is like really harmful and stupid, but we're adults here so I assume we all understand this.)
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@prism I never saw her as leaning gay, but did see her humanizing Data.
@CStamp I'd like to think she would have had some sort of gay romance had she survived longer. It's always been a very woke-coded show and that would have fit right in.
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@prism I've always thought the same thing, they were drunk so that was that. Where are you watching this? Does it have audio description?
@jpellis2008 P+, and no. Just surround sound. But that's cool, I never heard it in 5.1 before either.
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
@prism I know this exact episode. I’ve seen it many times, but I don’t remember her flirting with Troy at all. I love the fact that the two of them hooked up. I saw this as Data exploring his sexuality.
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@prism I know this exact episode. I’ve seen it many times, but I don’t remember her flirting with Troy at all. I love the fact that the two of them hooked up. I saw this as Data exploring his sexuality.
@Rosalyn she comes into her quarters and starts talking about how pretty she is. Troy is weirded out and reports it to the captain.
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@Rosalyn she comes into her quarters and starts talking about how pretty she is. Troy is weirded out and reports it to the captain.
@prism See that’s not flirting to me. But maybe I’m just weird. Lol.
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@jpellis2008 P+, and no. Just surround sound. But that's cool, I never heard it in 5.1 before either.
@prism That must sound really cool. I see that DS9 is described, you'd think they'd finish the older series.
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@prism See that’s not flirting to me. But maybe I’m just weird. Lol.
@Rosalyn Maybe you just don't realize when you're being flirted with! Now it's time to go back into memory lane and think on all the missed opportunities.
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@prism That must sound really cool. I see that DS9 is described, you'd think they'd finish the older series.
@jpellis2008 It's fine, it's not really that big a deal, I mean, it wasn't mixed for surround, so you mostly just have music in the rears and stuff like that. It's neat but not like a gamechanger or anything.
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@jpellis2008 It's fine, it's not really that big a deal, I mean, it wasn't mixed for surround, so you mostly just have music in the rears and stuff like that. It's neat but not like a gamechanger or anything.
@prism Oh ok. Yeah I don't know how I feel about trying to surround something that wasn't originally recorded as such anyhow.
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@prism Oh ok. Yeah I don't know how I feel about trying to surround something that wasn't originally recorded as such anyhow.
@jpellis2008 You can do it, if you have the original elements, you just remix it.
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@prism I never saw her as leaning gay, but did see her humanizing Data.
@CStamp @prism she’s gay because she has short hair and is assertive, right? I’m not saying she’s not gay coded, I just want to be explicit about why we think she’s gay coded. She’s not in may episodes and has exactly one pairing… a drunken one with male coded (ha!) robot.
As someone grew up sour under by assertive straight women with short hair, I always found this kind of funny. Not wrong, but not nearly as ironclad as would be believed.
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@Rosalyn Maybe you just don't realize when you're being flirted with! Now it's time to go back into memory lane and think on all the missed opportunities.
@prism You’re not wrong. I’ve had guys tell me another guy is hitting on me. And I’m like… really? That was flirting? D’oh! But now you’ve got me wondering and it’s all your fault.
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(Also to view any one night stand where all parties are under the influence as a definitive statement on anyone's preferences is like really harmful and stupid, but we're adults here so I assume we all understand this.)
I just presumed Start Fleet was by policy into being "open" by default.
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I'm like thirty (fourty?) years late on this, but apparently some people were upset by Tasha Yar sleeping with Data. I thought the angle was a feminist one, in that they sluttify the strong female character the first chance they get. But no--it's that she "should have been a lesbian," and that this act "heterosexualizes" her, and Data by extension. I have to say, this is very silly.
For one thing, they're both space-drunk, so any actions they take are already handwaved as out of character. For another, Data isn't her first port of call, she flirts with Troy earlier in the episode.
Third, let's take a second and ask why she chose Data in the first place? Because he's not a man. Obviously. She's feeling a certain kind of way and uses him like a sex toy, basically. Data barely gets a say in it. To draw inferences as to his sexual preference from that alone is pretty dumb.
Finally, and this is the part that really gets me, the event happens in the THIRD EPISODE! At the time of writing, precisely zero episodes of the series had been produced. For the writers to have "changed" something implies there was a thing to change.
Data's clearly asexual, because he's a fucking robot, whereas Yar distrusts men due to her past, so leans gay, but has the occasional craving for penis when enebriated. Many such cases.
The writers didn't "straighten" anybody. They were born this way.
@prism have seen the TNG porno that picks up Tash Yar’s story? Someone edited out all the sex and uploaded it to YouTube. The consensus is that it’s actually not a bad fan film, albeit with a very small budget. You can tell that these people actually cared about the source material.
https://.be/NzDIACP8nf8
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@prism You’re not wrong. I’ve had guys tell me another guy is hitting on me. And I’m like… really? That was flirting? D’oh! But now you’ve got me wondering and it’s all your fault.
@Rosalyn I take responsibility.
