Yet another failure where google should be called out for not having a fallback tts engine for Talkback.
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Yet another failure where google should be called out for not having a fallback tts engine for Talkback. I just had to use a third-party screen reader, developed by one person (me) to recover a multi-trillion corporation's fuck up. This is fucking tragic. If you care about #accessibility, hound them. Please. Tell them this is an essencial recovery path. I can only do so much, I've been asking for a fallback for a tts engine failure since talkback 3.3. I can only do so much. Spam the shit out of every google engineer you know. Please. Get this fixed.
#1aay #accessibility #Android #inclusion #disability #activism@fireborn Are you behind Prudence?
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@fireborn @FreakyFwoof Oh nice. Hopefully this will eventually fix that annoying thing where you have to wait for the screen to physically scroll before the next thing is focused, one of the things I like about VO on iPhone is the instant screen refresh where Voiceover is able to just find the next item even if its off the bottom of the screen. TalkBack, and other screen readers that I've tried, you have to wait like half a second for it to go dink dink dink and scroll to the relevant part of the screen and then put the cursor on it.
@alexchapman @FreakyFwoof It will not. That is a limitation of android I can't work around without developing a custom ROM, of which so few devices support these days it is not worth doing. A screen reader only indexes the vizible icons.
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@fireborn Are you behind Prudence?
@mcourcel I am not, I don't know too much about what's going on with that project. As I said elsewhere, I'm mostly targetting foldable and tablet users, as we are an underserved market.
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@alexchapman @FreakyFwoof It will not. That is a limitation of android I can't work around without developing a custom ROM, of which so few devices support these days it is not worth doing. A screen reader only indexes the vizible icons.
@fireborn @FreakyFwoof Oh damn, yeah that's one of the reasons I don't like using Android as a primary, if I'm trying to do something quickly and I'm being slowed down by stupid Android's accessibility framework limitation, its annoying.
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@FreakyFwoof It's a work in progress. I have a very small internal testing team at the moment. Google's accessibility framework is very frajile and breaks if you even breathe on it wrong, so I'm optimising for an underserved market right now, that being tablets and foldables.
@fireborn @FreakyFwoof Yeah, I was going to install CSR, but it wanted you to turn on so many priviledges for it to work.
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@FreakyFwoof My tts engine crashed, and talkback didn't try to do shit. I've implemented a safe mode in my screen reader that if restarted within 3 times in 20 seconds, it falls back to a bundled engine that cannot be overridden that lets you do whatever you needed to do.
@fireborn @FreakyFwoof since wen did you have a screenreader? i really wanna check it out once you releace it
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@fireborn @FreakyFwoof since wen did you have a screenreader? i really wanna check it out once you releace it
@J3317 @fireborn @FreakyFwoof Personally I think ESpeak should be built into android. Because even I"m a bit skeptical about google tts. I don't use it and I'm sorry but. Google TTS shouldn't be default. If anything, it should be ESpeak. You might be like, well, why? Because it's more responsive than google.
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@J3317 @fireborn @FreakyFwoof Personally I think ESpeak should be built into android. Because even I"m a bit skeptical about google tts. I don't use it and I'm sorry but. Google TTS shouldn't be default. If anything, it should be ESpeak. You might be like, well, why? Because it's more responsive than google.
@mckensie @fireborn @FreakyFwoof meh i could see that, but i don't like espeak, google should just make there TTS more responsive
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@mckensie @fireborn @FreakyFwoof meh i could see that, but i don't like espeak, google should just make there TTS more responsive
@J3317 @fireborn @FreakyFwoof Not everyone likes ESpeak, I know. But it should be a fall back engine
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@mckensie @fireborn @FreakyFwoof meh i could see that, but i don't like espeak, google should just make there TTS more responsive
@J3317 @mckensie @FreakyFwoof You liking it not the point. Boo-hoo, you put up with a voice you don't like to fix your phone. Deal with it. Espeak supports the most languages, so it makes the most sense.
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@J3317 @mckensie @FreakyFwoof You liking it not the point. Boo-hoo, you put up with a voice you don't like to fix your phone. Deal with it. Espeak supports the most languages, so it makes the most sense.
@fireborn @J3317 @FreakyFwoof I agree. ESpeak supports more languages than even google and Google even knows it.
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@J3317 @fireborn @FreakyFwoof Not everyone likes ESpeak, I know. But it should be a fall back engine
@mckensie @fireborn @FreakyFwoof yes, kinda like how CSR has it built in, just set a gesture to switch the currently used TTS engin and if your tts crashes or you loos speech for what ever reason you just do the gesture and boom you have speech
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@J3317 @fireborn @FreakyFwoof Not everyone likes ESpeak, I know. But it should be a fall back engine
@mckensie @J3317 @FreakyFwoof Seriously. You don't like it. Cry me a river.
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@J3317 @mckensie @FreakyFwoof You liking it not the point. Boo-hoo, you put up with a voice you don't like to fix your phone. Deal with it. Espeak supports the most languages, so it makes the most sense.
@fireborn @mckensie @FreakyFwoof yeah good point
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@mckensie @fireborn @FreakyFwoof yes, kinda like how CSR has it built in, just set a gesture to switch the currently used TTS engin and if your tts crashes or you loos speech for what ever reason you just do the gesture and boom you have speech
@J3317 @mckensie @FreakyFwoof Where is there even a need for that? Just track accessibility service restarts. It's *that* simple
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@mckensie @J3317 @FreakyFwoof Seriously. You don't like it. Cry me a river.
@fireborn @J3317 @FreakyFwoof Lets say newer android phones came with Eloquence by default. Not that they would anyway. I don't like Eloquence either. But you know what, I'll use it if I have to. then I can take care of my TTS engines after the setup
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@FreakyFwoof @fireborn @J3317 Wish Apple would bake it into IOS but
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@fireborn @FreakyFwoof Oh damn, yeah that's one of the reasons I don't like using Android as a primary, if I'm trying to do something quickly and I'm being slowed down by stupid Android's accessibility framework limitation, its annoying.
@alexchapman @fireborn @FreakyFwoof O that's just android itself, not specific to the accessibility things.
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@mcourcel I am not, I don't know too much about what's going on with that project. As I said elsewhere, I'm mostly targetting foldable and tablet users, as we are an underserved market.
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@FreakyFwoof It's a work in progress. I have a very small internal testing team at the moment. Google's accessibility framework is very frajile and breaks if you even breathe on it wrong, so I'm optimising for an underserved market right now, that being tablets and foldables.
@fireborn @FreakyFwoof do you need anymore foldable users? I have a ZFlip 6 here
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