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  3. Curious find of the day: the AI community on X has seemingly re-discovered the World Wide Web, in that it now favours HTML over Markdown for “agents to communicate with us”: https://x

Curious find of the day: the AI community on X has seemingly re-discovered the World Wide Web, in that it now favours HTML over Markdown for “agents to communicate with us”: https://x

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  • fionasboots@tech.lgbtF fionasboots@tech.lgbt

    @ricmac How much does handling 12000 (or 6000 for that matter) tokens cost? Do they need to submit the entire thing each time to get some sort of result: a fix, a change, extra code, reformatting, etc? What happens if you send an LLM just a tiny section of code without context? Does that work (I would assume either not at all or not very well) ... so does that mean that people using AI are burning through 1000's of tokens at time as they iterate through development? That sounds crazy expensive and wasteful!

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    @fionasboots @ricmac

    All questions that should not need to be asked. If I need to ask those questions, the technology is crap.

    Can we now get back to real programming? (I don't mean you. This utterance is directed at the world at large).

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    • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

      Curious find of the day: the AI community on X has seemingly re-discovered the World Wide Web, in that it now favours HTML over Markdown for “agents to communicate with us”: https://x.com/trq212/status/2052809885763747935?s=43 #AI #WhatGoesAroundComesAround

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      @ricmac Unfortunately they haven’t yet discovered the concept of a “blog” where you can store posts without paying x dot com $40 a month

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      • svelmoe@hachyderm.ioS svelmoe@hachyderm.io

        @ricmac there are not enough facepalm memes online for this

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        @svelmoe @ricmac

        You could ask an AI to create more of them especially for this occasion.

        But pay attention to your token use. Maybe you can use the saved style sheet tokens for this.

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        • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

          Unfortunately, I think the next step might be: “What if we created a virtual DOM…”

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          @ricmac be ready for everything canvas.

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          • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

            @ricmac

            what is happening

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            @pikesley @ricmac
            reinventing the wheel .... after firing bunch of carriage keepers.

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            • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

              Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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              @ricmac Wait until they find out about web components 😆

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              • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                @ricmac 😂🤣😂🤣😂

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                • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                  Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                  @ricmac This seems like the funny thing about AI token optimization is gives them a direct measure for good coding practices. I can't wait for them to be like "I found this awesome hack where I go deep and learn the tech so that I can give the AI better feedback. It saves so many tokens!"

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                  • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                    Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                    @ricmac I feel like the old witch in the woods who knows all the secret spells who everyone ignores.

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                    • misty@digipres.clubM misty@digipres.club

                      @ricmac Unfortunately they haven’t yet discovered the concept of a “blog” where you can store posts without paying x dot com $40 a month

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                      #21

                      @misty @ricmac
                      How many tokens does it cost to generate this thing called "blog" from a post on X?

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                      • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                        Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                        @ricmac @bkastl They came full circle.

                        Also, they were meant, when Gordon Ramsy performed the idiot sandwich.

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                        • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                          Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                          @ricmac What is a 12116 token HTML article? Haha, I'm so out of the loop on this topic, and it makes so little sense to me 😄

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                          • bms48@mastodon.socialB bms48@mastodon.social

                            @ricmac @fionasboots This is the same bollock (as we say in Scotland, quaintly) all over again. The so-called "grep tax" and the cardinality of code residing within individual files contributing to filling the LLM's context window. It contributes towards "babysitting needed to get token-based generator to work" vs actual productivity. But hey! Time to make agentic automation scalable! /s

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                            @bms48

                            @ricmac I don't think grep deserves to have some perverse AI failure named after it! That aside, having found out what that term means, it just lends more credibility to the idea that humans and real intelligence are just better at this. LLMs are just for corporations to make money without producing any of their own value.

                            If you need an actual answer, as the person who wrote the code the LLM was trained on. Don't burn through tokens (in a way that isn't transparent) to come up with slop.

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                            • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                              Unfortunately, I think the next step might be: “What if we created a virtual DOM…”

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                              @ricmac STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS (for free)

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                                @john.kreitlow.rocks "whoa, dude... wouldn't it, like, be strange if this was also more efficient in every other way? We couldn't be that lucky, tho. But what if..."

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                                • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                                  Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                                  @ricmac @cassidy this week i literally found a website that had a full blown photo gallery entirely as base64 encoded images. the entire website was a single html many megabytes in size.

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                                    @fionasboots @glitzersachen @ricmac “from the best programmers in the world” if only. What do one get when training the stuff on stack overflow and mediocre enterprise rest applications? 🤣

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                                    • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                                      Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                                      @ricmac But it seems he learned something Form the AI...

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                                      • ricmac@mastodon.socialR ricmac@mastodon.social

                                        Now they’ve discovered external style sheets.

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                                        @ricmac we gotta laugh at AI-bros today because perhaps tomorrow they will be gone just like NFT

                                        we can't postpone our laughter and ridicule

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                                        • mikalai@privacysafe.socialM mikalai@privacysafe.social

                                          @pikesley @ricmac
                                          reinventing the wheel .... after firing bunch of carriage keepers.

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                                          @mikalai @pikesley @ricmac this is so funny

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